Mike Guglielmucci is a fake and a fraud – but what about you?

August 20, 2008 | Get free updates of new posts here

Okay. So Twitter and blog-world are exploding today with news that the latest church worship celebrity, Mike Guglielmucci of “Healer” fame, has been a total liar, fake and fraud when it comes to his claim of beating life-threatening cancer. His story and the song which is supposedly inspired have been the talk of the worship world for the last month or so – especially with the news that Hillsong had recorded it and were including the song (along with the powerful live video) in their latest release, “This Is Our God.”

Here’s a quick recap of Mike’s story –

  • Diagnosed with cancer
  • Comes home, sits at the piano and begins singing
  • The melody and words of “Healer” pour out in this incredible time of worship

The song was then recorded by Planetshakers on their latest album and apparently caught the ear of the Hillsong folks who decided it would be great for their album. Once the promotion for that record started, Mike’s story was front and centre – including a promotional video that was released with Mike telling the world his story interspersed with shots of him singing the song at the live recording, oxygen tank, nose tubes and all.

So word breaks this morning that none of Mike’s story can be verified. Here are some links –

  • Adelaide Now
    “Michael has confirmed that he is not suffering with a terminal illness and is seeking professional help in Adelaide with the support of his family.

    “We are asking our church to pray for the Guglielmucci family during this difficult time.”

  • The Australian
    It appears Mr Guglielmucci, who was a pastor with one of Australia’s biggest youth churches, Planetshakers, may even have deceived his own family.

    “This news has come as a great shock to everyone including, it seems, his own wife and family,” Hillsong general manager George Aghajanian said in an email to his congregation yesterday.

Crazy. Idiotic. Foolish. How can someone even DREAM of something like this?? What kind of sick, deranged person lies in their bed at night trying to think of ways to gain fame, notoriety and recognition while perhaps lining their pockets with some extra coin based on sales of a song that might be inspired by such a tragedy?? This is a total disgrace and another black eye on the modern evangelical church.

So. How do we respond? Some say stone him! Some say blacklist him! Some say he just needs a swift kick in the ass! How about you? What do you say?

What do I say?

I don’t know.

Part of me is so tired of this. I’m so tired of trusting people and their stories of God doing amazing things only to be once again disappointed. I’m so tired of having to defend a church that wants to hold these people up based on their lies and deceit. I’m so tired of having to explain to friends why I would even associate myself with an institution that allows people like this to get famous. Nevermind the fact that I’m so tired of an institution that is making these people famous in the first place!

Part of me wants to stand on the rooftops and shout “I AM NOT ONE OF THEM!! I AM NOT ONE OF THOSE LYING, CHEATING JERKS WHO IS SELLING YOU A FALSE GOSPEL!!” I want so bad to distance myself from these idiots and their garbage lies and their cheating ways. I would scratch their name from history and have them never heard from again if it was up to me.

And then I wonder.. What does God say?? What does He think of all of this?

..

Ugh.

Why wouldn’t He turn His back on the whole lot of us and just let us all go down in flames? Why wouldn’t He just give this world a little nudge and send it spinning off in to the darkness of the universe? Why wouldn’t He just hit the cosmic reset button and start this whole damned thing over again?

And all I’m left with as an answer is “grace.” Because of grace. The only reason we are still living and breathing and spending a single moment on this planet is because of grace. God has every right to squash every last one of us and laugh at our stupidity – thinking that we have anything more to offer than Mike or Todd or whoever the next one will be. God has every right to stand on the rooftop and yell “Don’t listen to them!! I am not like them!! I don’t do things the way he says I do them!!” while pointing directly at.. me.

Cause that’s the truth, right?? We’re all Mike. We’re all Todd. We’re all messed up, screwed up, broken, deceitful, lying, sinful people. Now we may not be as devious or as scheming as those who are exposed and exploited but does that make us any better or any worse? Not at all. At the end of the day we are broken, sinful people in need of grace. Only God’s grace. And I need just as much of it as Mike does.

Could you imagine if all of your crap was exposed for the world to see? What if your Twitter account really detailed everything you were doing? everything you were thinking? Uh oh. We wave the “authentic” flag as though people are getting to know the real us if we post a little of our family struggles or about our issues with this sin or that, imagining that if people are given a littel glimpse in to a bit of the hard side of my life they might give me a little pat on the back for being so honest. And really it’s just misdirection – let’s give them a bit of what’s behind Door #2 so they don’t want to look behind Door #3, cause if that door was opened it’s game over.

Right?

I don’t know. I’m not suggesting that we all have stories like Mike’s. I’m not suggesting that we’ve all cooked up schemes like his. But if it was YOUR song that Hillsong was releasing and YOUR name being used to promote it and someone uncovered ALL of YOUR baggage and garbage, don’t you think it would be the talk of the town? Yeah. Sure it would.

I have nothing to say about whether or not you should play the song. Some will say that the song is born in the heart of the writer and there is no way to use the song to lead people in worship. Some will say that the song – not the writer – is anointed and if God can speak through a donkey he can certainly speak through a deceiving, lying songwriter. Some will say that the song is worthless and not very good and shouldn’t be used in congregational worship anyways. So take your pick 🙂

So there you go. You’ve heard my thoughts. I’ve read lots of yours. I’m sure this will be talked about for a while. What’s next? Where do we go from here? What do we do with the famous ones in our church culture? Let’s hear you.

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194 Comments

  • Reply joshua August 20, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    thanks for stopping by.

    i really liked this post too, well-done.

    grace is bigger.

  • Reply Michael Guglielmucci faked his illness?! | Embassy Worship August 20, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    […] Interestingly enough, The Worship Community posted an article about David, as part of thier series on Biblical worship leaders. Very timely… http://www.theworshipcommunity.com/worship-leaders-of-the-bible-part-2-king-david/#comment-243 Another great opinion article from my friend Chris -(who first broke it to me this morning!) Check his site: http://www.chrisfromcanada.com/?p=710 […]

  • Reply Graeme August 20, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    Your thoughts are very well outlined, brother.

    I especially echo your comments on the fame factor and its danger in our church today.

    I am a worship leader in a Baptist Church in Pennsylvania, and originally from Adelaide Australia – and this story has just grabbed my heart as I just think of how many people will be scarred by this.

    A few thoughts – the Priests first had to make a sacrifice for themselves before they were “clean” to worship. As such, so do we understand as worship leaders that we are not fit for the calling, apart from the gospel of Christ.

    Yet – those who would desire to teach (and that is what we do in leading Worship – through song, and through directing the people), incur a stricter judgement – for exactly the reasons we see from this story, which can lead to disillusionment and discredit to the name of Christ. Although we lead by grace, we take on the responsibility to point people towards Christ by looking for a Theocentric and Christocentric focus in all aspects of our worship. As opposed to an egocentric or anthropocentric approach which will be wrapped up in hype and marketing.

    Overall – we have such a danger in music in the chuch that we mistake the commonly used terms of musical inspiration for that of God’s revelation and inspired Scripture. May we use our creativity in every way for the glory of God, may we write music and songs that echo the depth of Scripture and resonate with the hearts of the people that they would join with us in song. But, may we always hold central the truth of His Word – the only Words which are truly inspired.

    Also – for every weakness in ourselves as well as for those that hit the news-stands, may we see God build His Church and draw people to Christ as they see God’s perfection over our pretense, and grace through the blood of Christ that covers all sin.

  • Reply Los August 20, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    I say what my dad used to tell me…
    Lest you fall…
    Los

  • Reply Chris From Canada August 20, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    Graeme – great thoughts. Thank you!

  • Reply Chris From Canada August 20, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    Los – yep, we’re all the same. That’s the point, right? If we had our sin and our garbage laid out for the world to see like this guy has, it would be game over for all of us.

  • Reply Los August 20, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    Yea. I hear you Chris.
    It’s a tough call.

  • Reply Gary Durbin August 20, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    thanks for your comment. it’s tough stuff. I believe the song will minister to the author ultimately here.

  • Reply Chris From Canada August 20, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    Gary – that’s an incredible thought for me. This guy writes a song from a total bogus experience which now God might use in his own (authentic) healing!

  • Reply Brent MacDonald August 20, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWrI1OgxH44

    The song on it’s own is still a great song.

  • Reply Jon August 20, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    hmm, funny how as soon as some big thing in the church goes down, we all jump in to give our opinions on it. just a thought in my head…

    first thought that came to my mind: 2 Corinthians 12:9 and how Christ is quoted as saying “my power is made perfect in weakness,” after giving grace.

    i say sing the song, keep it rolling. i think we’ve got to believe that God is going to take this nasty twist in the story and just use it to remind us of the powerful God that we serve. tragic that it happened, but hey, we all have the mistakes and some get recognized, others swept under the rug. but God’s not going to stop using situations because we screwed up now.

  • Reply alex mclean August 20, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    great thoughts Chris… had fun sharing back in forth via IM. I think our first response is always that thought of “vengeance” or “justice”. But I’m thinking, when do people need grace the most? When do they need forgiveness the most… RIGHT after they fall, not after they’ve learned their lesson and had a good ass kicking. Pick ’em up, restore them – then begin the process of discipline – which he will need.

  • Reply Chris Denham August 20, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    Hey Chris – that’s a great honest response to what has happened. I played Mike’s testimony a couple of weeks ago as part of a message about the power of the cross to heal that was inspired by Mike’s story and the song. So I know that God can turn something that is a mess into His glory…

    I love that you come back to grace as I believe that’s the only place we can come back to at this times. Unfortunately most of the world and a great deal of the cynical population of christianity will throw accusation and rumour. But now is the time to cover things with grace and let those in leadership over Mike deal with him as appropriate.

    It’s been a sad couple of weeks for Christian leadership – but I just hope it makes all us pastors sit up and realise that we are all accountable to carry this Gospel with such great integrity less we cause anyone to stumble!

  • Reply Bene D August 20, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    Hi Chris:

    If you come across a news release from Hillsong, PlanetShakers, the Guglielmucci family, Edge, The Pentecostal Assemblies in Australia- would you drop a link at my blog?

    Merci.

  • Reply Fred F. McKinnon August 20, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Chris,
    As you know, I’m sickened, heartbroken, frustrated, angry, disallusioned, disappointed … but not surprised.

    Bottom line, though … really, the only difference between Mike and the rest of us … he got caught.

    I think we all have lived some lies. We’ve all worn a mask. Sometimes, we just don’t get caught.

    For the Kingdom,
    Fred McKinnon
    http://www.fredmckinnon.com
    http://www.theworshipcommunity.com

  • Reply jordan August 20, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    “while pointing directly at.. me.”
    Amen.

    “We’re all Mike. We’re all Todd.”
    I don’t agree in some senses. Yes, I sin horribly, very horribly. And against Thee and Thee only have I sinned. However, most don’t use the cloak of the Gospel to assert a self-promotional agenda which intentionally (key word, intentionally) prostitutes the Gospel (the NT Epistle’s harshest words are against this type of thing, including false teachers/profits.) Sin IS sin, but in our earthly context, some sin leaves more visible marks on the bride of Christ. This was a premeditated calculation to fraud … somehow they appear different. Repentance restores our relationship to God (against Thee only) but some things disqualify ministry at least for a season.

    “what if your Twitter account really detailed everything you were doing?” Hmm, reason number 2,345,679 not to twitter.

    God will work all things together for good sure enough.

  • Reply Kirsty - Australia August 20, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    Firstly, great post!

    Secondly, I don’t know that I agree with Fred McKinnon’s comment that the difference between Mike and the rest of us is that he got caught.

    Don’t get me wrong – of course I’ve done some shocking things, told lies, worn masks etc … but really this is a huge deal and not just a ‘mistake’.

    I feel so bad for all the genuine Christians out there today. I personally haven’t gone to church in years, pretty much because of stuff kinda like this, and I think that is why I liked this blog so much. Chris – you are true blue mate!

  • Reply Jon August 20, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    I, too, am not really shocked by news like this. For one, the fact stands that being a spiritual leader means putting yourself in the line of spiritual attack. And secondly, never underestimate the affect of the mounted emotional distress that often comes with being in a position of leadership.

    Mike may be suffering in a way we may never fully know. That’s his baggage. God knows his suffering, and he will be his Healer through this ordeal. Thre may be more to this than just a heart of deceipt or a blatant attempt at money-making and fame, etc. It’s important to not overlook his humanity. That we can all relate to.

    I can’t begin to imagine the pain Mike and his family would be experiencing right now. They need the Healer and Prince of Peace more than ever…

  • Reply Narelle August 20, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    Hi there,
    this unfortunately is just one more person. You’ve mentioned Todd and we are only 2 months past our Pastor being stepped down for moral misdemeanours. While sin is sin, the consequences of some sin are bigger and in fact world wide in this instance.

    I feel very very sorry for Mike, I don’t believe that this can come out of a healthy mind therefore he does need healing. I feel even more sorry for his family, to go through the grief of perhaps losing someone, to find out it is possibly much worse.

    Will be interesting to watch this play out.

  • Reply fran August 20, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    Ok, so as long as we elevate people to above-mortal & holy status, we are going to continue to see these kinds of crashes… it’s just not wise. when will we only look to elevate Jesus Christ? We are all just sinners saved by the amazing grace of God….

  • Reply Niki August 20, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    Chris. Do not DARE call ye nor your little friends ere CHRISTIANS! Hypocrites! Just WHAT makes ye think that ye people are any better than Mike? What DO you KNOW about God’s grace?Yea ye right. We damn well don’t deserve it.But ye people aren’t better

  • Reply Darren August 20, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    Hmm… It’s not an easy one, yet not really rocket science, either. We are all broken, sinful and deceitful, and are all in need of God’s grace. At the same time, we are not all employed as Ministers of very large, ‘successful’, visible churches. As a man, he needs help, repentance and grace. As a Minister, he needs to be removed from his position and to publicly apologise for the things he has done. As for the song, it may well be very powerfull for those who do not know the story behind it, but for those who do… Why promote such things?

  • Reply Grace August 20, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    Was led to your site after googling for more information on this heartbreaking news.

    Your thoughts were encouraging and uplifting. Thanks.

  • Reply bonerman August 20, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    They should GIVE him cancer

  • Reply Jo August 20, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    How about we give him a chance to hear the real story before we go pointing the finger…. the media comes up with some pretty crazy things. What if Mike has in fact been healed and it is a miracle of God, and we are listening to the lies of the devil…. What about giving people the benefit of the doubt, innocent until proven guilty. I have searched and have not been able to find any material given by the churches in relation to this… how about we wait one minute before we get all worked up.

  • Reply Justin Hopkins August 20, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    look we all stuff up his just had to be on a massive stage! i still think he deserves respect. just because he did something stupid doesn’t mean that when he preached God wasn’t in his words. i still think he has power in his words when he speaks. sure he was lying about some stuff, well a lot of a stuff but the people that where influenced by him i still think that was real. i hung out with him when he was sick this can as a big shock to me as well.

    i still respect him. what bout you??

  • Reply Justin Hopkins August 20, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    look we all stuff up his just had to be on a massive stage! i still think he deserves respect. just because he did something stupid doesn’t mean that when he preached God wasn’t in his words. i still think he has power in his words when he speaks. sure he was lying about some stuff, well a lot of a stuff but the people that where influenced by him i still think that was real. i hung out with him when he was sick this came as a big shock to me as well.

    i still respect him. what bout you??

  • Reply Josh August 20, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    Hey Chris. I think you summed it all up bro. I think that’s exactly what a few thousand people are going through today.

    I actually grew up with Mike. He mentored me, and was one of my best mates from when I was about 13 to 18 before his ministry really got underway. It’s fair to say he was my hero, and was one of the most inspiring and generous dudes I’ve ever met. I met with him a while ago and had coffee and talked about the “cancer”. It’s always pretty intense when you find out someone has lied, while looking you in the eye. I still love him to bits, but I’m pretty confused right now. Makes you wonder what else was a lie?

    I think growing up in leadership, if you told a little white lie which lead people to God, (as long as no one found out) you could put two and two together as being harmless and a good thing. Then as the stories got bigger, and more inspiring, and you were rewarded more and more, you know… I guess we need to be wary when people stop talking about what God has done, and start talking about what they’ve done for God.

    I think someone else in this blog summed it up with: “as long as we elevate people to above-mortal & holy status, we are going to continue to see these kinds of crashes… it’s just not wise. when will we only look to elevate Jesus Christ?”

    I don’t know if this is a problem that has resulted from these mega-churches, or if this would have happened if he was leading a congregation of 50. I just know that I’m deeply concerned for his mental health, and would love to know what the hell was going on in his head…

  • Reply Maddison August 20, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    Awesome post…
    Very very true.
    Makes you think.
    Thanks for giving some godly perspective on the situation

  • Reply Fred F. McKinnon August 20, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    Kirsty –
    I hear what you’re saying … but I guess what I’m trying to say is … we’ve all done shocking, horrible, sinful things. Mike’s case … it’s just got more exposure. Lots more exposure. The ramifications (at least, in this natural world, and the spiritual as well) are more obvious, and greater.

    That makes the accountability stronger.

    But the sin … as bad as it is … it’s still sin. Sin exposed and magnified, yes. But we are still guilty.

    More thoughts, as I’ve processed this further:
    Hope you’ll pardon the scattered thoughts and some copy/paste commenting … I’m trying to comment on some of these blogs that have linked back to my own. Much has transpired today, I’ve spent a good bit of time in prayer and worship, thinking of this situation.

    Overall, it’s disappointing. By the end of the day, I start wondering if Mike wasn’t delusional at this point – I mean, I’ve watched that video over and over the past months. Even knowing the hoax, I still watch it and identify so strongly. I typically have a high level of discernment, yet I watch and it seems so authentic. Maybe he really was believing this lie, or part of him.

    The song – I still love it, though it’s somewhat tainted with this tragic revelation. But, God wasn’t surprised. Maybe He knew … Maybe He knew that we, the Church, needed this song. Maybe THAT’s WHY his favor seemed to rest on that song so strongly. Maybe it’s a reminder that God can (and will) use any vessel to communicate … even the weak, or people and ways that confound the wise and religious.

    Many, many questions. I’m sad, disappointed, but in the end …. I BELIEVE YOU’RE MY HEALER. I BELIEVE YOU ARE ALL I NEED. AMEN.

    For the Kingdom,
    Fred McKinnon
    http://www.fredmckinnon.com
    http://www.theworshipcommunity.com

  • Reply Mark Warnock August 20, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    Gack. This is really awful. I just read all the stuff about Todd Bentley, the big Lakeland revival dropkick healing guy divorcing his wife because he’s strayed… and now this.

    I don’t get it. I understand I’m as sinful as anyone… but how do you FAKE cancer? Yikes.

    Those of us who lead need to heed Paul’s warning: “Watch your life and your doctrine closely.”

  • Reply Jem August 20, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    It seems that no one knows the truth about why Mike did this.
    He has been addicted to drugs the last couple of years and he thought this horrible lie was the only way to cover up.

    I have heard him speak several times! It so devastating.
    His family are such lovely people, they don’t deserve this.

    Hopfully the Lord will bring something good out of this situation and we wont all be too discouraged!

  • Reply Mike August 20, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    As an Army soldier i see this in the same light as a physical battle. We are all being aimed at and shot at by our enemy. The enemy just got one of our leaders. Do we stop fighting? No. We double our efforts and fight harder. You cant just give up on a fight because you dont like the fallout. If you do then the enemy has you as well. So if your faith is shaken, get on your knees and look to Jesus, pray for our fallen, and fight for your life and the lives of your friends and family.

  • Reply klampert August 20, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    I totally agree chris..I am still struggling with how to attack this issue though…my thoughts are a little jumbled

  • Reply Maddy August 20, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    i’m so glad that the majority of people on this blog are taking this maturely and not getting angry.. yes someone did lie bout being terminally ill.. but as christians we cant get angry and we just hav to trust that God’s got it in His hands now and that we need to pray for mike…

  • Reply elizabeth August 20, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    Hey all.

    We should not be judging Mike. We are all human. Therefore we can all fall. we can all Sin. He who is with out Sin cast the first stone. What we should be doing is turning this situation around and pray and cry out to God for Mike his family and all who are closly involved in this situation who are in deep pain at the moment.

    God is the God of Second Chances. With the right help support,guidance and repentance Mike will come through this. Be careful on what you say, Guard your minds emotions and your hearts. This is not a time to Gosip at someone elses brokeness, But its a time to rise and get behind him until we see him fully restored

  • Reply dpma August 20, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    i comment on my own blog.. but i agree. as a preacher and pastor i can see myself in that. i saw Mike preach once in KL and i saw him live at the Hillsong Conference this last year. i’m hurt by all this, but i hold on to the fact that God will not be mocked.

  • Reply Joy Horan August 20, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    As much as this is a painful mark on those who do their best to stand for integrity…. compassion should always be our driving force! Who knows or understands the pressure of this young man and my first thought is… we live in a world that so intensely places fame on a pedestal, there are those who may go to extremes for acceptance.

    Ps 130:3,4
    If you oh Lord, should keep account of and treat us according to our sins, O Lord who could stand? But there is forgiveness with You that you may be reverently feared and worshipped…

  • Reply abi August 20, 2008 at 11:46 pm

    I am angry at this. And for the person who said we shouldnt be angry , God created the emotion anger.

    Gugliemucci is a bit figure in Christina youth culture here. What will the youth who listened to his message and were possibly considering following Jesus think of Jesus now ?

    Thats my concern .Has anyone thought of that?

    Sure we all sin and we all need grace but what a public fraud.

    And Alun Davies says to “pray for his family” I’ll be praying for those who have been caused to stumble by his actions and the results of what the media here in Australia will be doing now to ridicule Christianity with this very public exposure.

  • Reply Jane August 21, 2008 at 12:30 am

    I don’t have on opinion on what Mike has done at this stage. It’s hurting alot of people. My hope is – as has been mentioned before, that this will be a wake up call to how we put people on pedistals. Is this God saying enough is enough, please please please worship Me and me alone?

  • Reply ph August 21, 2008 at 12:30 am

    i guess him writing healer, it was for his own healing of his mental state and in healing in general. mental health is not something we talk about much. bring on the process.

  • Reply Leah August 21, 2008 at 12:42 am

    Hello Chris and everyone,
    I like your comments…
    The Bible talks about the end days and how there will be ‘wolves in sheeps’ clothing’… This world is becoming more and more evil and men love their sin… We’re all sinners – that’s true. But do all ‘professing christians’ understand what true salvation is? No way! And Mike proves this… But he comes from a church where the music and worship is amazing for the most part, but the sermons lack any conviction and even worse, the altar calls to salvation have nothing to do with repentance, rather picturing God as a personal ‘blessing machine’ where life is just that much sweeter.
    People are shocked when they hear of stories about ‘Christians’ falling off the rails, but when we raise up seeker-sensitive churches that give no glory to God, make no mention of the depravity of man while making millions of dollars from ‘making people happy’ and telling people that God loves them the way they are – how do we expect to see anything different.

  • Reply Amy August 21, 2008 at 12:50 am

    well i think that we should just forgive him. who are we to be angry and hold a grudge against him. the bible says forgive and be made whole. so how about we just let it go. i know it was a really bad and decitfull thing todo even worse that he was a person many people world wide looked upto.. JUST FORGIVE..

    God Bless

  • Reply Tina Borzillo August 21, 2008 at 12:58 am

    I live in adelaide and to be a christian and to know the family it scares me so much at the reactions of the unbelievers and the weak one in the church.
    We as the Body of Christ must unite and pray for the Guglielmucci family and for us that we will not fall while pointing the finger at our brother Michael.
    Whatever satan wants to throw at the body of Christ to distroy it, we know that God is on our side and he will prevail. Like David we must say;
    ‘I am in deep distress,Let us fall in the hands of the Lord,for His mercy is great; but do not let me fall in the hands of men,” 2Sam 24;14

  • Reply Olivia August 21, 2008 at 1:01 am

    I think your article really strikes a chord in our hearts.

    Like you said that you don’t know… I don’t know too.

    Nevertheless… Let Your Will be done, Let Your Kingdom come.

  • Reply morgan August 21, 2008 at 1:05 am

    this is an amazing post.
    so many people are taking the
    super spiritual road and making out as if
    we’re so much better.
    but you’re exactly right, sin is sin.
    and we’re all guilty of it.
    sure what he did was incredibly foolish,
    and no doubt will pay for it for the rest of
    his life, but all he has is grace, and i pray he
    understands and recieves it in full.
    wow, still cant believe this happened.
    i was there at the album recording for Hillsong’s album, and he even got up there with cords hanging from his nose.
    my question is, how could his family or wife not even realise? there has to be more to this than what’s people have been letting on.

  • Reply Michael August 21, 2008 at 1:28 am

    Hi Chris,

    Thanks for you post I’m a regular @ Hsong, I came across this website with many mixed opinion but I think you summed it up very well, Gods grace is all sufficient, who are we to judge?

    Thanks again,

  • Reply mariannew August 21, 2008 at 1:46 am

    This is a great post that really puts a good perspective on the situation. Thank you for posting. I think I’ll be blogging about this too.

  • Reply Biggie Smalls August 21, 2008 at 2:04 am

    Great Post Chris.

    Felt angry @ first but then felt sadness for him, his family and friends.

    God’s Grace covers all and we’d be all hypocrites if we didn’t forgive & pray for him and move onwards with the great commission.

    Here’s another post that you guys should check out from Pastor Mal Fletcher about this issue as well (link is below).

    May the Love & Grace of Jesus be with You All.
    Biggie

    http://www.crossrhythms.co.uk/articles/life/Why_Do_Christian_Ministers_Fail/33139/p1/

  • Reply Hubbaduh August 21, 2008 at 2:09 am

    Great post on a really difficult issue/situation.

  • Reply Jason August 21, 2008 at 2:13 am

    Christian or Non-Christian – There are very few things you could do in life that will mark you “FOREVER A DICKHEAD”. If this low-life committed suicide tomorrow, he would still be remembered as the piece of shit who told everyone he had cancer.

    I feel sorry for his parents.

    But someone needs to beat his ass bigtime. lets just pray he gets sent to jail and some of the prisoners teach him a lesson about basic morals.

    Amen

  • Reply jt August 21, 2008 at 2:16 am

    hey,

    I know everyone has there own oppinion about this whole situation – and most of them are valid.

    but can I just say – were all a bunch of third party bystanders commenting on something we probably have no idea about.
    As far as I’m aware (please correct me if I’m wrong). The only official statement released so far is the one from Hillsong Church. I know for a fact that, that statement was very scarce in information.

    The only other info I have been able to locate (again please point me towards other VIABLE sources if there are some) is from Newspaper articles – and please don’t tell me we believe everything the media says.

    as for the person who stated “He has been addicted to drugs the last couple of years and he thought this horrible lie was the only way to cover up.” Where did you get this information from?

    I’m not here to say that anyones wrong, or right.
    I just really don’t want to see Mike to be trialed by media.

    Let’s just wait it out and make sure we have all the facts before we judge him.

  • Reply Rich Kirkpatrick August 21, 2008 at 2:26 am

    I had to come back to your post to thank you for your thoughts. Indeed.

    I am with Mark… life and doctrine watched closely… we have to not be so gullible in my opinion. Regardless, this is sad and as DL Moody said..”There but for the grace of God go I.”

  • Reply Alister Cameron // Blogologist August 21, 2008 at 2:38 am

    Penned my thoughts here.

    http://www.alistercameron.com/2008/08/21/pastor-michael-guglielmucci-planetshakers/

    I’m just really sad that we don’t seem to be learning anything. And I’m really sad for his family. Real family, and church family. All are bleeding.

    -Alister

  • Reply disgusted August 21, 2008 at 3:10 am

    Chris Vacher,
    I hope for your sake and the sake of your family and the sake of your dignity and pride that the next time you fall short, as we all do in this life, someone doesn’t take the time to sit down and write a cleverly worded blog about it.

    “director of worship?”….that means that you’re a fellow worshipper of Mike and all the other people whose fault you took the time to highlight.

    Grace is ALWAYS bigger.

  • Reply bek August 21, 2008 at 3:28 am

    i think we need 2 realise that people that got touched by God through mike and his story should still realise that its God who did that, not Mike. The gospel was spoken so God still moved. We need to no that God is still our healer!!! this was just one mans life. sure heaps of people, including me, are upset and angry… but God still reigns

  • Reply Annie August 21, 2008 at 3:36 am

    Friends,
    Michael Guglielmucci may have faked his illness and his miracle cure – but our God is bigger than one man’s lies.
    By all means – hold him in your prayers and pray for his healing – but we are instructed by Paul in 2 Cor 7 – to bring a Godly resolution to conflict (sin) and then that leads to repentance.
    Pray for Michael to repent – his soul depends on it!!

    love & prayers to all those who are wounded by these current issues.

    Annie

  • Reply unnamed August 21, 2008 at 3:38 am

    so much for being “unjudgemental” christians…1 mistake (and yes whilst it is quite disturbing) and you wana hang him out to dry…nice message you are trying to show as christians. don’t forget we ALL fall short of the glory of God

  • Reply Mel August 21, 2008 at 3:49 am

    Hey guys,

    I heard today in a staff meeting, and my senior pastor put it well, its not something we can understand, so we can’t really state what he is or what he isn’t.

    And i know people have been hurt, I was personally confused, and I have been heavily inspired by Mike the past 2 years. But we do not know the full stories, all we have heard or read are the press releases the churchs and such have put out, and the news reports that enjoy blowing things out more than the story.
    What Mike did is disappointing, but again we don’t know the full story so we can not judge him, and even if we did know the full story, we have no right to judge him. 1″Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” Matthew 7:1-2.
    Not only that, but he is human like us, and just like the guys in the bible, and i will end this with the word, because the word is truth and what we live by, “Now, regarding the one who started all this—the person in question who caused all this pain—I want you to know that I am not the one injured in this as much as, with a few exceptions, all of you. So I don’t want to come down too hard. What the majority of you agreed to as punishment is punishment enough. Now is the time to forgive this man and help him back on his feet. If all you do is pour on the guilt, you could very well drown him in it. My counsel now is to pour on the love.” – 2 Corinthians 2:5-8.

    Thanks Mel

  • Reply emily August 21, 2008 at 4:05 am

    hey- I only read parts of this blog and discussion. I’ve been talking to some of my ‘connected’ friends. They told Mike DID have cancer, but he was healed from it, but continued to believe he had it. He went through chemotherapy- which doctors of course don’t give to people without cancer…

    That’s all i heard anyway.
    Media will say whatever they want.

  • Reply brian August 21, 2008 at 4:29 am

    My first reaction, granted its completely pathetic and sad, but I was glad he was not sick, I lost several family members to Cancer, it is a horrid disease. Again I admit this is emotionalism and thus pathetic and useless. I dont fault these folks and wish them the best. I hope for restoration. I have fell into horrid sin when I was in ministry, I leaned and asked for help. I have repented of that and am praying for restoration from such emotionalism. God be with you all.

  • Reply Glenn B-M August 21, 2008 at 4:41 am

    I sang with Mike. Hugged him. Loved him….and there’s one thing we ALL need to do. Do as Christ would do…and forgive him. Our hurt pales into insignificance against the hurt in Mike.

  • Reply Melissa August 21, 2008 at 4:48 am

    Wow,

    I’m from Hillsong Sydney. I’ve witnessed the changes with Mike over the year and when i first read about it, i thought it was no true, only to google it and find out more. I first felt decieved, however i then read your comments.

    Lets pray for them, God can use all situations for his greatness. God is soo God!! Michael may have lied, however i believe people will still be healed though his so, as Faith is the answer. If you believe, you will receive.

  • Reply Luke B August 21, 2008 at 5:09 am

    I think this is a great post. Before you bother about spitting vitriol at this guy, consider the main point of the Gospel (ie we are saved by grace through faith).

    But I think that this asks some interesting questions to Christians in the 21st Century. Is this an example of a terribly sinful man or is it the result of the pressures that result from the Christian culture that we have developed in Evangelical and Pentecostal churches? When image (including the clothes that people wear, the crowds they hang with, the numbers that attend a church etc) become as important as a simple & persevering faith, people are sure to fall, and as a result others are sure to be discouraged. Leaders in the church are human too…

    “He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first…” (Jn 8:7b)

  • Reply Madz August 21, 2008 at 5:13 am

    Disapointed in mike. but glad he doesn’t have cancer.
    but who cares if he doesn’t because he has let everybody down
    he musnt realise what this is going to do to edge church. !

  • Reply Anon August 21, 2008 at 5:13 am

    As a person who has known Ps Mike personally, it saddens me (blogger) that as good as you think your intentions are – you are helping supply the fuel in the the non christian community. I do know first hand what it is like as a teenager to have been burned to unrecognisable ash from this man and a church that shall remain nameless, and i do know that some will never recover – that it will leave scars so deep that they penetrate the soul, I have been one of those people in the past. It is what people decide to do with the experience, It is about understanding that Ps Mike is human – humans lie, humans sin. If he is repenting for those sins, trying to make things right then who are we to judge him, only God reserves that right.

    There is a family that is hurting behind this story and I think that people should consider their feelings before saying anything else. let me ask you a question: How would you feel if this was your family?

    And lastly to Ps Mike if God can forgive, then I can too, get rid of your demons and come back triumphant!

  • Reply Madz August 21, 2008 at 5:15 am

    Everyone should keep going to edge! its a great church and it shouldnt be judged by this.

  • Reply daren August 21, 2008 at 5:53 am

    Great response Chris to this situation. Its indeed tough. Who would have imagined something so unexpected like this to have happened.

    I am sure its heart wrenching for some, disappointing for others, and i guess there will be those who will be oblivious to this and just carry on.

    I guess what makes it difficult is that Mike wrote a beautiful and powerful and anointed song about God’s Healing and that Nothing Is Impossible for God; but was not honest with the people he shared the song with!

    I personally love the song, and often sing it and claim healing over my son. And will keep on singing … that JESUS is our healer! Amen!

    But

  • Reply sarah August 21, 2008 at 6:07 am

    I am actually disgusted that someone would even lie about that kind of thing I have actually just lost 2 people that were close to me to cancer and it has made me really sad that he would lie about it aghhhh makes me so angry to I actually loved mike guggalamucci i gave my heart to the lord to one of his messages but just wanted to put it out there…can’t trust anyone or anything….

  • Reply Mel August 21, 2008 at 6:15 am

    Sarah,
    I don’t want to sound like i’m attacking you or anything, and i am dearly sorry for your loses.
    I know its a difficult and emotional time, and what he did is so unexplainable, but like many of us have said, he is human just like you and myself, and he stuff up, haven’t you stuffed up before?? I know I have, and the thing with sin, as we see it in levels, but God sees it all the same, so you lying to your mum would be judged the same as Mikes sin. The great thing about God is that he loves us so much and his love is EVERLASTING, meaning it is never ending no matter what we do, and if God can love Mike even though he stuffed up, and God can forgive him, then shouldn’t we do the same.

    And I also want to let you know, its ok to be upset or angry, and it will take some time to get passed that, and process what has happen, but also keep your heart open and your prayers for mike and his family.

    also You can trust, but you have to realise everyone stuffs up.

    Thanks Mel

  • Reply Michelle August 21, 2008 at 6:24 am

    I feel so much better after reading your post today. I have had a lot of my family members die from cancer and am very ashamed that he would lie about something like that. But we have all lied, however big or small it has been. And who knows, he might have been going through a lot of things at that time. I know it gives him no excuse to lie, but people make mistakes. But I am even more ashamed of peoples reactions like i heard some people talking today saying he should go to hell. And saying how “Evil” he is. But it’s just not on. Whoever has spoken like that about him, needs to be forgiven and learn that thats just as bad. All sins add up, none of them are good, but they can all be forgiven. I am in tears, mostly for the fact that people are so heartless to have such reactions!!!

  • Reply hayley August 21, 2008 at 8:09 am

    i think its terrible that michael has sunk this low,
    its sad to think that he has witnessed to a whole heap of people who may have come to believe in christ because of his illness, which is now all based on lies,…..it is frustrating..

  • Reply Dave - Soroxide August 21, 2008 at 9:05 am

    lol, i find you helarious… You don’t have to defend the church, God himself does that. Your role.. is to be Christlike. There’s always Wolves among the sheep, the word of God tells us there’l be hippie’s like that among us. miracles happen.. everyday. God speaks. regardless of weather this guy lied about it happening in his life or not. i can tell you without lieing, God speaks to me, and he’s saved me in so many situations. Anyway.. Every blessing.. Get into your bible, don’t come up with stuff that sounds logical from an unbiblical view point as you did.

  • Reply paul August 21, 2008 at 9:22 am

    thanks for your thoughts Chris!
    “For all have sinned…” unforntunately for the church and the message of Christ, all will suffer (at least momentarily) from this story.
    When will we ever learn that our sin will find us out? All that is in darkness will be exposed to the light of God.
    I’m comletely disappointed in this fellow, but yet I know I am just like him and could easily fall into the same trap. Mike will answer for this, just like the rest of us who, intentionally or not, mislead someone else or cause someone to stumble.

    Thanks again for your post!

  • Reply red August 21, 2008 at 9:30 am

    Lots of interesting thoughts and questions.

    Let’s get the facts straight about Michael:
    – son of successful high profile pastor/ministry/family
    – italian father who was son of migrants (stable/close family upbringing)
    – extremely loving parents (his father is known for this)
    – completely immersed his ENTIRE life in a ministry environment
    – extremely talented, skilful and experienced musician
    – brought up in a large suburban church in adelaide (4000+ members which is huge for Adelaide)
    – as a newly wed went off to Perth where he had some incredibly short-term results as a youth leader (my memory is hazy but I believe it was not much to a few hundred kids in several months)
    – back to Adelaide then on to Melbourne to be a part of the planet shakers church, etc etc.

    Fact: he lied about the cancer
    Fact: it has nothing to do with drugs
    Fact: he was not caught out, he came clean

    There are a zillion things about the story that defy belief. Pull it apart and it is truly extraordinary, we’ve got a great mind working here.

    However the thing that fascinates me is the motive. Greed? Fame?

    IMO those options in and of themselves they don’t lay much of a foundation for the song that’s been written. Sure they may play a small part, but the entire motivation?

    Don’t you think that at least a few people would have spotted something not quite right in a person or a song written purely out of those motives? Fool some people (maybe) but not thousands and thousands, including a Hillsong leadership who have already been through the ringer a few times with other sagas that have hit public media over the past few years. Love them or hate them, they’re no idiots in terms of leadership. Plus they’ve got a history of being very fussy about who gets a song-writing gig on their albums, typically it’s only those entrenched in their church.

    The delivery of the song itself – raw, onstage presence, the melody, lyrics, the passion – somehow in this tangled mess the song and lyrics remain pure, ie. the truth about God, his sovereignty, his healing power. Post after post has confirmed the same thing. Doesn’t sound like the product of someone whose entire motive is debauched.

    Consider the pressure to perform in an environment where quantifiable results are the holy grail. Imagine you were in your early 20’s and had huge success initially – wouldn’t you feel pressure to back up at your next gig?

    You don’t wake up one day and say “hey I’m gonna fake cancer.” Prior to that there’s been a whole lotta stuff which has built and built and built and built until one day you can actually create and fabricate something like that. The lie about cancer is the tipping point between reality and post-reality. How do you keep something like this from your wife unless you are the most practised liar? This suggests a long history of deceit.

    This saga needs the most thorough pulling apart. *If* this has anything at all to do with being immersed long-term in a ministry-based environment for an entire lifetime – and something has just gone slightly awry for him that has skewed him off course – then the system itself and the pressures, expectations and powers operating in that system need some serious review and self-examination. Remember that we’re talking about someone here who has been through a denominational credentialing process and has been ordained a Pastor.

    Who says this kind of scandal is bad for the church? Where do we get that idea? Sure people will get hurt, but people are getting hurt all the time, most of us are just immune. It’s possible that more people are hurt from misdirected church activity or complete inactivity (ie. globally) than those who will be hurt from this specific situation. Why do we think that there will be growth without pain? When was that ever an accepted idea?

    Plus God’s sovereign anyway, he has it all in control.

    Shake ups are good, there’s nothing wrong with that – but only if we stop looking only at the individual and start looking at the systems we’ve created.

    All of humanity is subject to temptation in the areas of greed, sex, power. But only those immersed in church culture and ministry are subject to pressures to perform in areas of ministry. What does that performance and success look like? What should it look like?

    As individuals we constantly need to take stock and of take full responsibility for our actions. Simultaneous with that we also need to take responsibility for the institutions we’re involved with and how they affect and influence those in our care. Even if we’re not in leadership we contribute to the environment that in the end affects everyone around us, including ourselves.

    If there is any family that can pull through this it is the Guglielmucci’s. They are fantastic, godly people and with the grace of God in that situation things can be put back together.

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  • Reply Steffany Rucci August 21, 2008 at 10:43 am

    I will always love Uncle mike
    I got half way through this blog and couldnt be bothered reading the rest
    We have no right to judge-
    He must have gone through so much in the last two years
    And as much as we are angry and upset we must not take it personally
    We mustnt bad mouth churches because of this
    and we musnt critisise the family nor him
    We will never know what he was thinking – and we shouldnt have to know
    Move on people
    let it go-
    Man will always be Man
    God will always be God
    Focus on God – put your trust in him
    Man will always let you down-God never will.

  • Reply Shanda August 21, 2008 at 10:53 am

    Amen! We all fall short of the glory God. We all have to quit looking around and look up. Look at the prostitute. “You who has no sin throw the first stone” We all fall in some form or way and no sin is greater thatn other. God loves each and every one of us and we all our made in His image. As you said it is only by grace that we are here. We all need to look at ourselves and pull the “log out of our eye” before we look at others faults. I have a mother who has cancer have lost 2 loved ones in the past year with cancer. I look at the words of the song, not the person who sung it. With God all thing are possible, whether it is healed here or when we are with Him. What do the words mean to you?

  • Reply Becky August 21, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    “God has every right to stand on the rooftop and yell “Don’t listen to them!! I am not like them!! I don’t do things the way he says I do them!!” while pointing directly at.. me.”

    I’ve read a lot of blog posts about this but this is the first one that really resonated with me. It is a very convicting and well-written post. Thanks.

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  • Reply Billy Chia August 21, 2008 at 12:37 pm

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    I really agree with your last comment to Gary – God is that big. In fact the one thing that God does best is take broken situations and make work for His glory.

  • Reply jay August 21, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    Great post! It’s true, we should always look to God, not man. God’s grace far exceeds ALL our sin- we have no right to judge or condemn.
    However, we need to look further than that. The fact that we’re forgiven doesn’t erase the consequences of our sins. Yes, there is no condemnation from God towards Mike, and His love has not wavered one bit. But the repercussions still remain. Those who don’t know God now have another reason to point their fingers at us “hypocrites”. And who knows how many Christians have been stumbled by this.
    Let’s not hide behind grace when we sin. Instead, let’s remember that it is a precious God-given gift. We have to use it in tandem with another God-given gift- free will. It’s time for us to rise up and take responsibility for how we choose to act, because that is what God has enabled us to do.
    Having said that, I still think it’s a great song and I still believe He’s my Healer, my Portion, and all that I need.

  • Reply kay August 21, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    thanks for sharing this 🙂

  • Reply Adam August 21, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    I think Christians just need to stop idolizing pastors, worship leaders, evangelists etc… They think of them like the world thinks of celebs, they get more praise than God most the time.

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  • Reply Aaron August 21, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    This new completly shocked me, but I liked what you said about everyone being messed up one way or the other cause we all are. And I believe that exposure (confession) of sins is one of the best ways to overcome. I have been trying to not have so many walls up, and just be real and honest with people with what i struggle with. Not only do they see the real me, but they can relate, sympathyze and learn from my expierences. Also by exposing my sin we mirror how Jesus was exposed on the cross when He died, and in that we have freedom. This is a bit different than lying about a terminal illness but none of us should give up on Mike because Jesus NEVER will. His arms are always open to everyone, up till our last breath and then we enter eternity.

    As far as the song is concerned, it still feels really annointed to me. Annointing is from God, not from man and the song is still powerful because it’s about the healing power of God!

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  • Reply Jon August 21, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    Chris, thanks again for the thoughts.

    “At the end of the day we are broken, sinful people in need of grace. Only God’s grace. And I need just as much of it as Mike does.”

    in response to comments like that of “disgusted”… c’mon man, i hope that someone does take the time to highlight my failures when i screw up. at least then i know someone cares enough to help me with my pride and the ministry that i may or may not have.

    these comments are ridiculous at points. this whole thing is crazy, crazy, crazy.

  • Reply Areana August 21, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    Yes, I believe Healer has been written out of a place of need, deep down he has wanted God to touch him and heal his mental illness….I heard an interview where someone spoke of Mike calling out before going onto stage “How long God..How long God” He just didn’t realise the most powerful ministry is that of truth!! If he had spoke of his true illness within his mind he would have given great hope to many who suffer from this silent curse…

  • Reply Leo Levkut August 21, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    The things that can happen when your brain stops working…

  • Reply brewster August 21, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    Chris, could not agree more with your post. Well documented. Grace Always Wins. This could be the churches finest hour, if we handle it right. If not, then it does become another black eye. Truth is “the world” does not know Mike, Healer, or probably Hillsong. Grace.Always.Wins.

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  • Reply Greg August 21, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    Are we talking about Mike Goodatfakingit? Forgive him…yes. Trust him….NO! The bible doesn’t ask us to do that.
    Satan is not stupid and we need to pray against his hand here. Think of the expression “Collateral Damage”. Satan was prepared to allow lives to be changed through Mike’s testimony and song whilst preparing for the truth to come out. Now he will potentially reap a mighty harvest of hurt, bitterness, unforgiveness and general turning away from the gospel because of this lie which came from him in the first place. NOW IS A TIME FOR PRAYER.

  • Reply red's mother August 21, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    + Grandpa used to sit and rock in his chair…and say…”.this may or may not be so”…. Taboo thinking, unfortunately, look where it can get us!

    + When older eyes see the quick unearned promotion of young guitar players, we always, even unwittingly hold our breath to see if they are going to make it.

    + idolising Michael, idolising Edge, idolising worship songs, this did not start with Michael.

    + I had friends who served in Michael’s home church. They went to the senior leader, and said they felt called to go to the mission field. He said …GIVE US TEN YEARS , AND WE WILL SEND YOU OUT, TRAINED, READY AND SUPPORTED…..surely to be prepared for fame and notoriety, some firmer long term preparation could be applied on the home front?

    + playing a guitar and being a nice guy don’t prepare you for the rigours of a long term 24hr a day accountable lifestyle. Ministry requires just that.

    That’s all for now.

  • Reply Kris August 21, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    hey man, good post.

    This is all very upsetting and Mike will have serious consequences, possibly even criminal charges. Pray for his family. His wife has left him and his family is shattered. They need our prayers.

    Something about this Cult of Personality thing though. I agree, it’s rampant in the modern church. I see it all the time. Guy comes from nowhere and writes a song. World loves song. Royalties flow, big names start calling. Trappings of lifestyle ensue and the original heart of the worshiper alone in his bedroom crying out to God is shouted down by all the things that appeal so easily to our flesh.

    I firmly believe that when a real ‘revival’ comes it is not going to come out of these big churches. The churches where pastors are chauffeur driven, travel in first class on a plane and stay in presidential suites at the Hilton. Why? Because these churches will try and monetise it. These leaders are the pharisees of today. They draw attention to their wonderful churches, their grand building programs and their chart topping music. They encourage and enable this culture of christian super-stardom when all the while it’s so clear that man was never made to be worshiped. Did we learn nothing from Lucifer?

    So I put my $50 bucks on the one that Heaven uses and endorses to start a real revival as a complete unknown. Un-churched, maybe even uneducated. But they will be the garbage of society you can be sure, just like Jesus was… bastard child of a Jewish teenager, born amongst the dung and flies in a stable. Because God’s ways are not ours…. you can guarantee these image focused circuses that pass as church will miss the boat completely.

    The modern church needs an enema. God help us all if we don’t have our foundations built firmly on the Rock. Lord, forgive us for being so arrogant and proud.

    ….and create in me a clean heart…..

  • Reply Kenn August 22, 2008 at 5:18 am

    God is amazing, and will make all things turn for His glory, his grace is sufficient for us all. Pray for Pastor Michael Guglielmucci, pray for each and every one of us that Christ would be glorified in our lives, even though we are sinners and fall short of His glory.

  • Reply Lorenzo August 22, 2008 at 7:01 am

    People were asking for official statements on this so here are a few.

    The details remain sketchy at this time, and the official statements dont reveal much. I guess we all want to learn the truth, but please be careful about what you hear in the media, because we know that they dont always tell the truth, especially when it comes to some of the big churches.

    But I like this blog best. Mike has made a big mistake. One that has shocked and hurt many people. But Gods grace is for us all, and its not for us to judge who “deserves” this grace or not…thats the whole thing about grace – none of us deserve it. I am sure mike will go through a long journey with God about all this, and i continue to pray for his salvation. And of course i pray for his wife, family and friends who have been hurt the most.

    http://www.aog.org.au/Media/NationalExecutiveStatement/tabid/1413/language/en-AU/Default.aspx

    Hillsong’s general manager sent all the of the congregation an email about this, but it doesnt seem to be an official media release at this stage from hillsong.

  • Reply MIchelle Wegner August 22, 2008 at 9:31 am

    This is a very well written post. I feel the same way you do. I want to tell others, “I love Jesus, but I am not like those other crazy people”. But, you’re right. I guess I am one of them too. I sure hope no one ever opens my door #3. 🙂

  • Reply Jacqui August 22, 2008 at 11:05 am

    Mike shall be severly judged by God isint that punsihment high enough? no need for a 2 page writing of how much you dislike the guy and man will always let you down, God never will . If you want to do something useful pray for him or his family

  • Reply Elle August 22, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    I love your thoughts Chris. Thanks for posting on this.

    I really enjoyed what one of the previous posters said above “let’s not hide behind grace when we sin”. I believe that hit the nail on the head. There is grace at work here, but there is sin. And for Mike, this sin has ramifications wider spread then he ever realized. Those who watched the videos (before Hillsongs removed them), those who bought the cd, those who bought into the belief that someone dying with cancer could still believe have been effected. We can’t pretend there aren’t ramifications with this. We can’t rally around God’s love and grace and pretend there wasn’t a foul here.

    There was. To much is given, much is required.

    And part of love is to administer strong corrective action when needed. Those supporting and loving Mike, those physically around him, and his church need to administer grace, with love, but always with the reality of sin. He made a boo-boo here, on a large international scale. And someone needs to lovingly correct him.

    I need grace when I make a mistake, but I also do need someone to give me the reality. I am grateful that when I was young, my parents took the time, even when it hurt, to correct me with love and strength. Mike is a child of the most wonderful Heavenly Father, who will correct Him with love and strength. And we need to pray for the reality of sin and the reality of grace to collide. Never one without the other, lest we believe our sin doesn’t matter. Because this story shows it as best it could be shown “Be sure your sin will find you out”
    Grace + Peace,

    Elle

  • Reply Jo August 22, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    Whilst it is really sad, and serious, that Michael Guglielmucci has decieved many people, I think we all need to be slow to judge and quick to show grace – maybe he is experiencing Munchoussen’s (probably very incorrect spelling!) syndrome, where individuals make themselves ill or concoct an illness……….he would not be the first by any means, this is a described condition in the medical world.

    I saw a video of ‘Healer’ before hearing Mike’s story regarding his diagnosis and sensed the awesome power and annointing of God through him singing it…..Darlene check said she had never seen the church gathering worship as awesomely or powerfully. For me, faith was released through this song and in no way is that diminished through the news that Mike is not terminally ill. Faith is a gift from God, and He poured it out that night of the recording.

    jO x

  • Reply Ben Smith August 23, 2008 at 1:54 am

    Good call Chris. It’s a lesson to his supporters, though. Absolutely we should forgive Mike. Absolutely we should understand where he is and get alongside him.
    But are we this forgiving of everyone, or only those who share our beliefs? I had to stop myself from yelling ‘fraud’ and ‘fake’ because this guy is part of a section of the church I don’t often get along with. That’s my sin. I hope that we can great Mike with dignity and grace despite this. And I hope we can treat everyone else, regardless of their position, with the same respect when they screw up.

  • Reply Colin August 23, 2008 at 8:54 am

    Hello

    I would say you gave a very appropriate response for the rest of us – the ordinary christians who thought he was authentic.

    We should all reflect on ourselves and the grace that we all need.

    Regards.

  • Reply liza August 23, 2008 at 8:55 am

    loved reading ur blog on ur thoughts.. i really felt the same like u. i feel so ashamed that the evangelical christians already have a bad rep (im thinking, why would ppl even wanna be part of anything christian if all they hear is this crap??)…and this really was the big shock for me.. BUT im so glad that Grace is sufficient for us and for Mike too. Praise God. We all need it just like Mike. Great blog!

  • Reply Kermit August 23, 2008 at 10:56 am

    Hey, i must say im getting mixed messages from your post but thats probably my mis-interpretation..

    I agree that it is a great shame that few people can set a negative light unto the church (the church being the christians, not the buildings) but that they are responsible for their own actions. This said however, i believe it is God’s place to judge, not mine, so i forgive and let go.

    I would also like to shed light on the fact that the world is working to “free itself from religious ties” so to speak, and many news programs (today tonight for starters) wont miss an opportunity to smash churchs the second something goes wrong. And yet very few will give praise or recognition when sumthin goes right.

    I think that blaming the church denomination is not the problem, it is mearly those who fall short, which is all of us. Corruption and cons and scams and whatever happen in all kinds of churches and non-churches not just AOG denominations.

    In these times the denominations should work less on serperating themselves from each other and more on uniting together to save the lost… before the world self-destructs (which wouldnt at all surprise me).

    I quite enjoyed your article, even tho i ws slightly confused in parts, oh, and (from what i can gather) no one really no’s the full story with the mike thing so lets maybe wait it out??? I was quite dissapointed when i found out but i believe that all his songs still hold true to their meaning, even if it so happens that mike is not true to his words,

    sincerly kermit

  • Reply Kermit August 23, 2008 at 11:20 am

    I would just like to say:
    so many of you say “God, make good of this situation”. Well i say open your eyes! Already (and believe me the news and current affairs programs will take this much further and they’ll exaggerate and fabricate too) the Christians are rising up in response to this, look at these comments, the denominations come together because of these sorts of scenarios… Its like God saying “why aren’t they working together, lets give them a bit of a stir!”. We arent called to fight against each other, we are called to fight for the Lord against the devil. Blaming Hillsong or Mike or Planetshakers or anything like that will not acheive anything, it will mearly cause you to lose hope in God and feel depressed. Fight for Him, The church must be ONE! without unity we will go no where!

    Also a lot of you say “they’re idolising the worship leaders, etc etc” This depends on your definition of idolising. If someone buys the CD because Joel Houston is leading and then when he steps down they stop buying because he stepped down, then that would be idolising by my definition. For me personaly, as a musician, i can acknowledge the skill Joel has at playing and leading, however i buy the album to sing to the Lord, not because i want to here Joel.

    Please if your going to use idolism as an offensive strategy, please please please process your comment with some thought rather tan “on the fly”.

    Godbless
    Kermit

  • Reply gareth henderson August 23, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    this is tragic in every sense of the word. tragic for the family involved, the youth and the church as well. but with the additional revelations concerning todd bentley this week, it appears that God is cleaning house.

  • Reply beth August 23, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    Lots of interesting discussion here.

    I’m wondering if, mixed in with all of our emotions and judgments and disgust and prayer is the realization that we got caught up, too. We – the Christian worship community – jumped on this Awesome New Song and played the video and started using the song and telling the story and made the video a viral hit. It was a STORY, one we seized upon and played up. Sure, we gave glory and honor to God – but I know that I am sometimes just as guilty of wanting to leech onto something amazing that seems to be happening in God’s kingdom, telling the story, feeling like I’m ‘part’ of the Next Big Thing; while neglecting the stories of the REAL stories, the REAL healings, right in our midst, because they’re not as fantastic or gripping or emotional.

    I believe that a good part of our powerful reaction to this story is because we jumped on the bandwagon. We wanted this to be true because it’s popular, and emotional, and a devastating story. And now we’re pissed, not just because God was mocked, or because Satan is gloating, but because we look rather foolish.

    We got gypped, and I think some of us are as mad about that as we are disappointed in the man, or compelled to pray for him. I speak for myself, because my immediate response was anger and frustration, and I was convicted that Mike’s issues were between him and God – and that my reaction and attitude were between ME and God.

    We ALL need his mercy.

  • Reply Stephanie August 23, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    Hi Blogger,
    I completely agree with everything you said. I found myself a little bit disappointed when I heard about this tonight, but you are COMPLETELY RIGHT!!! I still think that inspite of Mike’s mess GOD still used him in an incredible way with writing this song because I am soooooooo encouraged everytime I sing it. My heart hurts for the Body of Christ and for those who will be confused by yet again another story like this, but I pray that God’s grace would rule in Mike’s life and the listeners and singers of this song, because God’s Power is on it NO MATTER WHAT! Mike, I’m praying for you! Lord Have your way and SAVE your people!

  • Reply Ash August 24, 2008 at 1:29 am

    I think its a shame that this has happened. What can we do now is more the question. I agree with the comments that God can bless a song and that its not by a mans word that we see people come to the lord but by God’s word though a man.

    I was at the Hillsong Conference this year where on the final night I saw the whole 30,000 plus people pray for him. Obvious since this time god has been working on his heart for him to come forward with the truth. I have read a huge amount of articles and blogs on this , this afternoon and agree that we need to pray for Mike & his Family and have faith that god can do the impossilbe and if he can use this in a positive way then you know that he will.!

    Yes I a sad by what has happened, but he is still a brother in Christian and my thoughts and prays are with him.

  • Reply Laura August 24, 2008 at 5:13 am

    It is great that someone shares my Same opinion.
    I personally was at one of the conferences when Michael Was speaking about his battle, and it bought me to tears…..when i was told today about what was going on, i was speechless but after doing some thinking and really dwelling on what God might think of the mess….you are right! we are all sinners, liers, stealers, and although we may not think this, it is true….a lie wether big or small is the same….Michael has mad a big mistake, but havent we all? it is not to us to Judge but for that to be left in Gods hands….

  • Reply Emma Taylor August 24, 2008 at 7:09 am

    its sin…we are all sinful..mikes sin is public and he will be reaping what he has sown for as long as he lives now..but how many of us would like our sin broadcast on the net everywhere with people “talking” about it…im shocked that he did this to this extent..but i have lied before betrayed trust..i have sinned and my shame is not public…so lets just pray and praise God that we serve a God is is full of grace and forgiveness.
    i am quietly reassured by all this too on a another level…im not alone…my issues with sin are everyones issues..this reassures me to keep trusting God to renew me…and we should pray that for mike…

  • Reply elderdave August 24, 2008 at 7:58 am

    Excellent and really helpful post. I used a song from the same CD in church tonight and then later discovered the whole fiasco and it really shook me. This man is clearly very broken to have done something like this and it really stings because the trust that has abused is so huge and impacts so many. And this is why Paul makes it so clear in the letters to Titus and Timothy that teachers/pastors/elders must have high expectations of conduct placed on them.
    And yet, of course, we know that no-one is blameless, not even one. We all fall short, and continue to do so. The bigger the lie you start to live in a ministry role, the deeper you are likely to dig yourself into it, knowing the terrifying consequences of being found out. Praise God for his grace that really is greater than any sin we commit.

    To anyone saying we have no right to judge: if we don’t judge abuses of trust or position like this then we clearly don’t care about sin. As a church we have every right to rebuke those who stray, particularly when it has such big consequences. But grace must always come with judgment. The church is right to remove him from his position, but it would be utterly wrong to cut him off from the community and offer no forgiveness or help. Clearly they’re not going to do that (thankfully), even though the secular world is just itching for a witch-burning so they can feel smug about Christians failing.

    I’ll pray that this Mike G finds true healing for the lies and the addiction to pornography.

    Also, note to Hillsong, please stop turning people into superstar celebrities and leaving yourselves wide open to this sort of fakery. The operation of the church has a lot to answer for in this.

  • Reply elderdave August 24, 2008 at 8:02 am

    One more thing, don’t forget what it cost God to deal with Mike G’s failings, and your failings, and mine.

    It cost his son, dying nailed to a cross, taking the full force of God’s anger so that we would be spared it.

    God’s grace is huge, and it didn’t come cheap, so let’s not cheapen it by trivialising sins such as the one we’re discussing.

  • Reply Nat August 24, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    I think you just hit the nail on the head right there mate
    we are all in need of God’s grace and it’s just unfortunate that Mike’s need has just been publicised across the world for all to see
    however, i strongly believe that this shouldn’t take away from the song at all, it is an immense song and so true, regardless of the story behind it

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  • Reply Leanne from Sydney August 25, 2008 at 9:50 am

    Thanks for your comments. They comfort me. I only heard about this tonight on an Aussie current affair show. I was really moved by by the song on the Album and also “Desert Song” which is where I guess Mike might be headed for the time being.

  • Reply dave August 25, 2008 at 11:09 am

    At last a Christian who is not a borg. Your honesty is refreshing Chris, it certainly opened me up to look at fresh ideas and paths that I would normally not entertain. Kudos for telling it like it is and how you see it in the real world.

    Cheers

  • Reply kere August 25, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    Hi Chris. I really liked ur blog which is a suprise for someone like myself. I turned my back on christians and the hyprocritical bullshit a long time ago but a part of me still believe’s there’s a God out there and that he cares about me- its my life support these days. I love your honesty, its great! i’m not a christian anymore but i believe if theres a few things that can change this world and its forgiving, accepting and loving others.

  • Reply Brunettekoala August 25, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Sorry, I hope that it was ok to link to your post from my blog! I found your post through Billy Chia’s blog…

  • Reply Glenn August 25, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    Hi Chris,
    Really appreciate your sentiment. Want to stand on the rooftops myself some time. I am glad that Christ is a personal experience and while the church is his chosen instrument they have a lot to answer for.
    While I appreciate many of the comments regarding grace in this situation, would the same grace be given had his pornography led him down the track of being a paedophile, or taking peoples lives as in the case of Ted Bundy?
    And yes while we all sin and all have skeletons, we are not all being placed on pedestals like rock stars for the world to worship.

  • Reply Michelle August 25, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    I too was shocked when I first heard about this, however, I can understand what went wrong a little more now that I’ve read his own words (rather than what has been put forward in the media and on the net in various angry blogs).

    This one thing I have to say – we are all sinners in need of the grace and power of God whether we told the occasional white lie or we lied to the world, whether we have a secret problem with lust or we have pushed God away in our day to day lives. Jesus died for us all.

    In Jesus’ words from a couple of thousand years ago, when a woman who was caught in adultery was dragged into the public arena for judgment, “He who is without sin may cast the first stone.”

    He was a brave man to come forward and make things right.

    God bless you Mike in your recovery!

  • Reply Paul August 26, 2008 at 12:34 am

    Now the media say he is a porn addict – been one since he was 12. We all are exposed to porn and most of us enjoy it occasionally. Problem starts when we are made to feel guilty about it. Wasn’t it Mike’s fundamentalist parents who made him feel guilty when he was just growing up and his sexuality was budding? I think the whole conservative pseudoChristian culture of “charismatic” or “evangelical” megachurches is to blame. They try to create a feeling of guilt in us so that they have power over us and can manipulate us. Anyone still feeling like giving collection money? Yes, Mike is a guilty fraudster, but so is most of Christianity. I don’t think they would even allow Jesus to join them!

  • Reply Angus McTavish August 26, 2008 at 1:36 am

    Things to note.
    1. Many churches decieive people all the time when they claim to have answers they dont. This is typified over and over in stuff like this – a man who lies to people for YEARS – we’re not just talking a day or 2. This is calculated premeditated on an incredible scale – you dont accidentally put on an oxygen mask and accidentally lie to people in the name of God – according to the Bible this sin is unforgivable. Michael and South Side are (according to their faith) damned.
    2. Think of the concept here. Mike was raised in a christian home with christian values – he knew the bible about putting stumbling blocks before others, and yet he chose to disregard this faith for years and deceive people willingly, based upon his own self diagnosis that his sickness was because of porn – wether this is true or not – i know thousands of christians who secretly look at porn – and many of them are good people. Who are we kidding here – there is no difference between Jew or Greek, Christian or Muslim – all people are individuals with their own rules. Thats the biggest problem with pentecostalism – is they’ve lost touch with reality and are trying to push their own idealism as though it is fact when most christians cant even agree with each other on anything!
    3. For years Mike upholds a lie and makes money in the process. (Love of money is the root of all evil according to the Bible.) So was Mike a “spirit filled born again believer” and how could he do this as one for years as such – or didnt he have a conscience back then? Why suddenly now? His dad said he confessed but the news broke a different story according to the Advertiser. Now suddenly he’s seen the “light” and wants to repent, but he doesnt want to do the time for the crime. What of the leadership – they knew his crime too but werent forthcoming as they claim – it seems money is their true God.
    4. Why didnt Mike repent 2 years before – why now? And the excuse – pornography addiction. Apparently the internet now is viewed over 75% of the worlds population for pornographic purposes – so why isnt everyone deciveing each other over stuff like this? I know dozens of christians myself who have porn – who cares? Porn is a soceity created problem – and the church doesnt have those kinds of answers – if it did they wouldnt have to send him away or make him answer for his sin.
    5. Christians claim to be able to heal the sick and raise the dead despite the fact we never see such outworking – according to the New Testament people saw miracles and were converted but today even the believers can only believe in such things and we never see anything. I was a fundamentalist with the AOG (same faith as Southside Edge) for 20+ years – i once believed just like these people do and do you know what – i never saw miracles either.

    Only when i had the guts to put my faith to test did i find the truth that much of what i thought i knew wasnt fact based either. Southside is in truth nothiing else but another cult because they try to replace history with their own bias, that would make themselves God (unanswerable to anyone) instead!

    Most of the bible isnt even historically accurate in the first place (slaughter of the hebrew babes in mathew for example – discredited by the people who gave us the bible in the first place!) Thousands of arguments here against biblical fundamentalism – never discussed in church i note. Why? Ignorance.

    6. When it all comes crashing down, suddenly the church is full of answers but still cant deliver and Mike has to go see a worldly psychiatrist to get his healing. Why is that if God is their “healer”.

    7. The truth – most christians live by feelings not faith – and thousands are being deceived in the name of God – its a huge scam built upon emotion and greed. Look at the church and how rich it is! You cant say the church has answers when they deceive people like this – and then further deceive people by thinking they can cure him of such things – there is just too many inconsistencies to this whole reality and most christians are ignorant of the truth. So we get behind poor mike, excuse him of his sins and say its all ok – because we dont want to admit to ourselves the real truth that we lie to ourselves willingly.

    8. Otherwise there’d be healings and a supernatural God working in our midst and we’d never hear of stuff like this again and again and again. This happens because in church no one is truly accountable to anyone – its a pyramid of simply men – why didnt any of the prophets forsee this?

    Too many riddles – its time for people to start asking themselves why they believe this trash. It isnt Mike who was deceiving the people – its the church that made Mike what he truly is.

    Extra note from rereading above – yes i exxaggerated about knowing “thousands” of christians who look at porn. I work in the IT industry and have fixed hundreds of pc’s many by fundamentalist born again washed in the blood of the lamb christians – many of which – Pastors included – have libraries of porn on them and some hide it rather well!

    So what does it mean to be born again anyways – last i checked it doesnt mean much -though it does sound spiritual! The rate of divorce is the same christian vs non christian – the amount of porn watched appears to be about the same and ironically i cant find any real statistic showing much difference at all between them. Today there are over 350 million fundamentalist born again denominations who all believe the bible to be the word of God but all cant agree because of how they interpret it!

    So who is telling the real truth?

    I myself because of my experiences still believe in God – but from what I can tell – is that God appears to be far different than what the Pentecostals try to make him – and Mike is just another tragic example

  • Reply Michelle August 26, 2008 at 2:20 am

    I think that there is not a counrty in the world that is not shocked by the news of Mike, Yes, what he did was wrong no one can deny that. Every body falls short of Gods glory some time in their lives, its sad though how often and how quickly we forget what we have done in the secret and quiet place that no one knows about but when someone else does it how quickly we jump to the oppourtunity to gossip and take the spot light off our own lives to make others look worse than what you do.

    Outside of Church things like this happen all the time with Government and people in high places but because Mike was a known worshiper he is riduclued and cursed at.

    Did anyone stop to think that Maybe the song Healer was a cry for help – I am sure that all of your have heard the words, You hold my every moment, calm my raging sea, you walk with me through fire and heal ALL my disease – He may not have been talking about cancer but he knew that the church would condem him if he exposed his reall “sickness” People dont realise how judgemental they are its quite sad as the church is supposed to be a safe place, i am not mocking the church in any event, i am just saying that we need to be real with people, people who have addictions should know God loves them more than ever and they should be able to come to the table without being looked at funny or gossiped about, so to all the people who call themselves children of God, lets unite and Pray for Mike instead of mocking him, lets lift him up and let GOD deal with him heal him from his disease.

  • Reply choch August 26, 2008 at 7:10 am

    hey, i totally agree with what your saying, i think you where just a little too harsh on mike… wait a few days… you will learn how deep this thing is… just be careful of what you post sometimes.

  • Reply Ryan Craig August 26, 2008 at 7:26 am

    I’m preempting what could happen with Mike in the future, but perhaps it’s a very severe career change for him.

    Problem is his credibility is gone now. I’ve been able to meet the guy – I first started going to the Planetshakers church and through Mike God asked me to repent of everything I’ve ever done. And to tell you the truth whilst I never deceived a whole planet I’ve got some absolutely terrible things hidden away in my past. And that’s simply due to our positions in the world we live in – he’s known internationally, I’m barely recognisable at the human level.

    I know it’s all a shock now, but I can’t help but suggest that he will still be of use/service to God, and that he will work things out for himself. Part of resolving that will be the ‘dual life’ he’s being living, which is something he needs to reconcile within himself and then with God. This is if the claims of a pornography ‘addiction’ are true (and I also, as a side note, wonder/worry what sort of material we’re talking about here) due to how sexuality seems to operate (souls intertwined, I’m sorry, it’s been too long since I picked up a Bible so very rusty theologically).

    All I can wish is that he is in a safe place and that he is reflecting on things, and that the ‘duality’ has ceased, I guess…

  • Reply Aaron Ireland August 26, 2008 at 7:40 am

    “Part of me is so tired of this. I’m so tired of trusting people and their stories of God doing amazing things only to be once again disappointed. I’m so tired of having to defend a church that wants to hold these people up based on their lies and deceit. I’m so tired of having to explain to friends why I would even associate myself with an institution that allows people like this to get famous. Nevermind the fact that I’m so tired of an institution that is making these people famous in the first place!”

    I notice the repetition of the word “institution” in this paragraph. Perhaps it is the intitution we should be looking at. Too be honest, I feel sorry for Mike, and his family. I ask myself, what would lead someone to such a betrayal? There are a whole lot of easier ways to rip people off, so I can only see popularity, which is really just another way of saying “acceptance”.

    What does it say about an “institution” which is meant to be defined by its members loving devotion to each other, when its leader’s children feel the need to go to such lengths to feel accepted. There is the real tragedy. Ironically, the affect that his actions had, before being revealed as deceptive, brought incredible brokeness to his father. My wife heard Danny speak at a ladies conference in Melbourne, Australia and heard him speak of how the members of their church felt they had permission to grieve, after seeing he and his wife weeping over their son.

    Being an expat of the charismatic movement, I have seen, first had the way in which the “prosperity gospel” has bred a view the “positivity” and “enthusiasm” are the new “fruit of the spirit”, relegating holiness to last place. Have a bad day, and people think you’re back slidden. Interestingly, it was the “preformance based preaching” that characterised Mike’s preaching, that was the straw that broke my camel’s back.

    But, again I find myself feeling sympathy toward Mike. Perhaps it is my own failures, or my own yearning to see authentic Christianity expressed, but where many see this as a blight that could disfigure the church beyond repair, I see this as a potential catalyst to bring about reality.

  • Reply Thom August 26, 2008 at 9:42 am

    if i were mike reading this, im not sure how i’d feel right now. maybe cry, maybe want to throw my monitor down the hall. not really sure. if i were really sick, mentally, maybe suicide.

    mike, if you ever do read this. we just want you to know what you already know.. that God loves you.. that Jesus loves you and always takes us back. i apologize that so many (myself included) have taken liberty to discuss your personal life amongst ourselves as if we were entitled to do so. forgive us. may peace be on you and your family. -tg

    (to some of you others reading this.. you may disagree. you may think that because mike was so much in the public eye that we are entitled to discuss these things – or insert whatever reason you may have. i’ve read so many variations of this story already, that its only a matter of time before it comes out that he was an arms dealer in iraq. please, lets stop this. you may call me a hypocrite because here i am commenting on a post about mike. yes, i admit i was quickly caught up on all the buzz. and so from hence forth, this is my only further comment on subject.. “let’s not talk about mike”)

  • Reply mike August 26, 2008 at 11:59 am

    I’ve been singing this song in services for a year and have had some incredible experiences at the altars while singing this song. How many times has a great song been penned by an imperfect man and still be used to touch hearts for God? Peter was called satan himself by Christ and then was used to as the rock the church was built on. I will continue to sing healer. The lyrical content is solid. The Holy spirit speaks through fallible humans including myself. How many times have I felt so disconnected from God and had to get up on the platform and lead people into the presence of a Holy God only to be used prophetically in an intimate time of worship? I’m sad that the writer of this song clearly has a problem but I love his song.

  • Reply me August 26, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    He had someone else confess his sin in public. enough said

  • Reply me August 26, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    Know your scriptures people, most people have no clue of the real name of the
    Father and Son. And its not god or jesus. Re-read acts. there are too many
    clues. I used to be apart of the main stream church. Its a false high with the
    lifting of hands and high spirited music. That guy could have been watching
    porn the night before the video was shot. And yes, he should be held to the highest, He chose to be a ” leader”. When the husband and wife in acts tried
    to deceive the set apart spirit ( selling land) they died instantly. if people where
    supposedly that close to the Father and Son ( I am not telling you the real name, search it yourself, Its time to feed yourself and not somebody up on a
    stage.) ………..if ” the church” was that close in heart, you would know who is deceiving and who is not.

    Wake UP!

  • Reply D. August 26, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    We all need to take a leaf out of Mikes book.

    Better for Mike to go public with his inner battles before God while on the earth and deal with it now. Because when Christ returns it’s too late. The fact that Mike is more willing to take the heat from across the world and accept the consequences shows that he fears God.

    Everyone on this earth will give an account. Mike is making sure he is up to date.

  • Reply trs86 August 26, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    why is everyone so negative about this, it shows a complete lack of faith in the God that we serve. the church, worldwide is in a complete shift about the way they view God, we are coming into whats called the “Benjamin Generation” where a new understanding and revelation of God’s grace for us will be realised, i believe that it is no coincidence that this has happened in the church at this time and i believe that many people will get saved and healed becuase of the powerful testimony that will result from Mike’s open battles and struggles. Romans 8:28… i am actually quite excited about the possibilities of what God could acheive and do with this situation. we as Christians need to get out of a “Doom and Gloom” mentality, we have the hope of the world, the answer for every person. it makes us no better than anyone else if we simply display an attitude of how sad, poor mike… NO we pray for his healing and we celebrate what God can do with such an open and vulnerable situation. PEOPLE WILL GET SAVED BECUASE OF THIS!!! PRAISE GOD.

  • Reply trs86 August 26, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    To angus McTavish – HOW DARE YOU JUDGE HIM! do you think that you are higher than God by saying that what he has done is unforgivable, as though you know what can be forgiven and what can’t. perhaps you should think a little before you judge others.

  • Reply dee August 26, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    This is a sad sad situation. Now tell me honestly If this song comes up on the screen at your church which one would come to your mind? God or Mike?
    First thing we couldn’t understand was how his wife didn’t know about it. Don’t we go and talk to the doctor when one of our family members go through an illness like cancer! Is she in this as well? She just accepted it very gracefully. not angry at all???? Is this porn addiction to get sympathy again? I am very confused.

  • Reply HA August 26, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    What a idiot. Put him in jail and throw away the key. He doesn’t deserve forgiveness. Stealing money, lying and now hides behind an addiction to PORN! HAHA! Now all he’s going to get is sympathy. Michael you’re an idiot, do us all a favor and go and hide away so you don’t embarrass the human race any further.

  • Reply Dawn-forgiven sinner August 26, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    He is a sinner, so am I. I have been forgiven, so can he be. God could have covered this up, but God cares more about Michael’s soul and growth and service, than He does about His (God’s) reputation, or Michael’s reputation. This man suffered amazing nosebleeds and had his hair fall out in clumps – so his imagination was powerful, or his mental illness (Munchhausen’s perhaps – or some delusional disorder).
    His songs were and still are powerful, God inspired them, and they may become even more powerful as we realise they were the heart cry of a sinner to be healed, God is his Healer present past and future and this episode had to come about for Michael to start to be healed. Lets pray for him and his family, every time we hear it mentioned and beleive for the amazing testimony that can come from a truly healed man.

  • Reply D. August 26, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    You all know that sin is sin. Period. Stealing, murder, it’s all sin. There is no sin greater than another. Sin is simply what it is. We were all born into it and need Jesus to stand between us and our Father as mediator.

    136.trs86 you are 100% right. Can we not see that this is the beginning of something huge that is happening to the church world wide? I know there are many pastors that are falling away, in the U.S, Canada, Europe, Asia-Pacific. God is shaking the Church. People will find freedom in Christ just as Mike now has. Many people will be set free, open up about their struggles and begin to live real and pure lives before Christ. I’m so glad God loves us so much to reveal these things to us at this time.

  • Reply D. August 26, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    Oh, I forgot to mention, it’s not a matter of ‘will Mike be forgiven’. He already is. Such is the grace of God. “While we were yet sinners…”

  • Reply my August 27, 2008 at 8:38 am

    Spoken like a true Baptist.

  • Reply dan August 28, 2008 at 8:27 am

    its so frustrating reading time and time again that we are all sinners. you know what…that sort of mentality gives people the license to do what they want. man breaks through your daughter’s bedroom window and rapes her…we are all sinners. your wife drowns your children and heads off with a new man…we are all sinners. pastor fakes cancer and makes shit loads of money….we are all sinners… come on people. reconnect your brain and start thinking for yourselves again…there needs to be consequences for evil actions. yes jesus died on the cross…but mentalities like these abuse what grace is all about!

  • Reply Aaron Ireland August 28, 2008 at 9:55 am

    “He had someone else confess his sin in public. enough said”

    I watched a report on Australian TV tonight that contained an interview with Mike, confessing his own sin!!! Some of the people here seem to be of the view that it takes a certain amount of pennance before God will forgive someone. Reading the Bible will show that forgiveness is instantaneous to the repentant (1 John 1:9).

  • Reply Brad August 28, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    After much thought and consideration on the issue at hand, I sat back and realized that maybe Mike Guglielmucci wasnt praying for his healing of cancer like he asked but rather than his isses with his pornography addictions. Here is a man who is in a very powerful leadership role, leading others, mentoring others, praying for others, and just listening to others. Satan must have been doing battle with him daily and we all know that Satan can be a very powerful opponent. I wonder how many times, that Mike Guggliemucci wondered who would understand his problems. Satan problem invaded his mind, heart, and soul, telling him that know one would care or even understand how a man like this could fall to such terrible addiction. Sometimes when we are backed into corners we lie, steal, destroy and even hurt others not realy meaning to. I don’t think Mike intentionally did this. I think that Satan was such a powerful force and Mike made up a lie and his lie went to far. That is exactly what Satan wanted to happen. Satan wants everyone to look bad upon Mike. Instead, we as Christians need to embrace Mike, love Mike, PRAY for Mike’s TRUE HEALING and help Mike and his family to come back from this mighty attack. We all have been in a similar situation as Mike. We need to pray for warrior angels to surround everyone who is close to Mike or has some connection with Planetshakers or Hillsong. God is still true and he will see everyone through this time of grief. Let us all remember that God is the same Yesterday, Today, and Forever. One day, Mike can stand a say for certain that He is healed and that God truly is his HEALER and God is all he needs. We are human and God forgives us know matter what.

    For those Christians out there who are trying to oust Mike and criticize him remember:

    Matthew 7: 1-6

    Judge not, that ye be not judged.

    2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24

    3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

    4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

    5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

    6 ¶ Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

  • Reply hillz August 29, 2008 at 1:24 am

    It’s sad that Christians who claim to have been forgiven by Christ can actually sit down and crucify a fellow brother who has undergone such an ordeal. Remember what Christ said in defence of Mary ” Let him who has no sin cast the first stone” we are all in no position to judge Mike. His problem might as well have been an emotional and spiritual cancer. By confessing what he had done has given freedom and the healing that he has been seeking. As the word says, the truth has set him free. David in the Bible committed “worse sins” but he was still a man after God’s heart. None of you knows what was really happening to our brother. So watch what you say about him coz you might be set yourself up for a curse.

  • Reply Daria August 29, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Hey Chris,
    You are right on brother. I love our Lord and I thank Him for mercy and grace. I’m praying for all of us.

  • Reply BJ Wittwer August 30, 2008 at 2:06 am

    Well written Chris. Thank you for reminding a lot of us “Genuine Christians” that we too are still sinners, made clean by Jesus.

    As for Michael G, I applaud him for standing up and coming forward about him doing wrong. It is a good man that can commit no sin, it is a greater man who sins, confesses it, is forgiven and sins no more. Michael is correcting the mistake he made. Continue to pray for him as he finds his way back to God again.

    As for the knockers, and those who think Michael G should be “stoned”, then, to quote a much wiser man than me, “Let he who has not sinned, cast the first stone.”

  • Reply shona tiger August 30, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    EXCELLENT post. A very thoughtful way to deal with the subject. And thank you for prodding my conscience. I think that apart from all the obvious issues all this raises, it might direct us to thin about our own concealed sin…

  • Reply Gina from Australia August 31, 2008 at 5:35 am

    This would have to be one of the best responses I have read on the good ol’ internet.
    God’s grace is more than sufficient to heal us, to give us srength to pick up and carry on.
    We must not turn our backs on Ps Mike, he is a brother in Christ after all.
    I think more then ever our prayers are needed right now, please don’t think of how decieved you are.
    Please, don’t.
    We all need to pray to God for understanding of why this has happened, and pray for his healing.

  • Reply Dan August 31, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Absolutely agree-well said. It’s all about the grace of Jesus and every one of us would be lost without it.

  • Reply R.John September 1, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    I feel so much for Michael and his family. We are all in a fallen world. Michael has been transparent with what he has been doing and the Bible says, a broken and a contrite spirit, GOD will not despise. The question is how would the LORD deal with Michael’s confession. HE will surely forgive and forget. Remember what Christ said in defence of the woman caught in adultery – ” Let him who has no sin cast the first stone”. We stand today because of the Grace of GOD. All my righteousness are as filthy rags before GOD. HIS precious blood that was shed on the Cross for sinners washes away all our sins the moment we sincerely repent and ask for HIS forgiveness. Therefore, let us Pray that the LORD JESUS HIMSELF will restore Michael and what the devil planned for evil will be turned for good that many will be saved knowing of the LORD’s Amazing Grace. May the LORD pour out HIS abundance of Grace on Michael and his dear wife Amanda and also his Godly parents. Robin

  • Reply agnetta September 2, 2008 at 4:17 am

    he had a problem and more than condemning him shouldn’t you be praying for him instead? HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE! are you without sin? you say you want to be distanced from him because of what happened, haven’t you made mistakes? should you also be allowed to condemn or rather should you like to be condemned instead? ha made a mistake, the only person who can and will judge him should be and is only God. so please, Christian to Christian, I’m not trying to offend you, i just hope you’d give him more leeway then what you’re imposing upon him now. thanks

  • Reply Steve Russell September 3, 2008 at 7:35 am

    Like many people, I was saddenned to learn of Mike’s situation. Not only does this highlight the seductive nature of sin, but it is also a timely reminder of how easy it is for believers, and especially those in positions of authority and influence to become self deceived. Even though God’s grace delievers us all from the condemantion of sin, we still have to work through the consequences of our sin. For Mike the consequences of his actions will be felt severely by his close family and friends and also across the world. We must pray for our leaders. We must all learn to be accountable whilst at the same time allow the Holy Spirit to continually cleanse and convict. Self-deception can happen to any believer.

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  • Reply lisa September 10, 2008 at 10:28 am

    To all those people who think that they are perfect and holy. STOP and think again. We all live fraudulant lives and we all sin. The difference between Mr Guglielmucci and the rest of us, is that we are not in the spotlight. If he was just a ordinary person Nobody would bat an eye when the truth came out. Give the man and his family a break. They need time to deal with this and NOT be battered by the likes of you! How many of us go through life shirking of others and think it alright. At least the man admitted his sin and is seeking help for it. To those of you who are still throwing stones look in the mirror!
    To Michael Guglielmucci and family” You have an entire South African nation praying for you” GOD BLESS you and your family during this tragic time. When God is with us Who can be against us.?

  • Reply Anthony Johnson September 11, 2008 at 11:23 am

    Although this has happened you can’t blame God for others sin. God still works and moves, you shouldn’t be offended if someone lied. Its life, yet learn from things that happen to you. TRUST GOD. Not the acts of other people, cuz people will fail you. Pray for him and his family. God already sees the problem, and is making a way through it.

  • Reply stacey Baker September 13, 2008 at 4:27 am

    I say this, lets forgive him, let it go and show mercy to mark googlielmuchy (sorry spelling) We all make mistakes. I want Mark to know that my church forgive him and are praying for . We love you mate.

  • Reply doris September 14, 2008 at 3:10 am

    a mi me parece muy vaca de su parte que queri te diga,
    ademas como tan poca vision o discernimiento de los tontos
    de hillsong…

    pero bueno…

    chao

  • Reply Tom Whitcombe September 15, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    One news channel i read said that they had exposed Mike: but that isnt the case at all. Mike freely confessed himself:

    I see here a broken man. The guy has a serious problem: he’s addicted to chemicals his brain produces, and they can be as strong as herione: The man is a porn addict.

    When i heard that, i immediatly went from a “that man is a Jerk and needs a kick up the ass” to a “woah, that man really has a bad desease”. The shame of such a sin in todays church is enough to scare anyone into silence, and when the addiction started to have an effect on his body he made the cover of cancer……one lie that snowballed out of control. These are not excuses, no man can excuse what he has done (indeed we can not excuse away any sin), but these reasons should help us get in his shoes.

    I like what you said about every one of us needing grace, the verse that comes to mind is “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”. are we “Better sinners” than Mike? Can you get a “Better sinner”? no its oxymoronical in fact the bible teaches “he who breaks one law is guilty of them all”.

    What Mike needed was accountability and i love what you said about the Rooms, and it reminds me of some Casting Crowns lyrics.

    “But would it set me free
    If I dared to let you see
    The truth behind the person
    That you imagine me to be

    Would your arms be open
    Or would you walk away
    Would the love of Jesus
    Be enough to make you stay”

    Whats amazed and challenged me is the sheer amount of people from Hillsong Church and elsewhere that are willing to forgive Mike, and these verses from 2 corinthians 2;5-11 come to mind

    5 I am not overstating it when I say that the man who caused all the trouble hurt all of you more than he hurt me. 6 Most of you opposed him, and that was punishment enough. 7 Now, however, it is time to forgive and comfort him. Otherwise he may be overcome by discouragement. 8 So I urge you now to reaffirm your love for him.
    9 I wrote to you as I did to test you and see if you would fully comply with my instructions. 10 When you forgive this man, I forgive him, too. And when I forgive whatever needs to be forgiven, I do so with Christ’s authority for your benefit, 11 so that Satan will not outsmart us. For we are familiar with his evil schemes.

    I guess i can relate to Mike because i have struggled with Lust too, and i know the shame of it.

    Let not be naive here, but if mike has freely confessed his sin, and he IS giving all the money he stole back, shouldnt we find a place to forgive and embrace him too?

    Now that song is still amazing, it is difficult to listen to him singing it, but God works DESPITE out sin and since it was from the spirit and not from him, why shouldnt we use it?
    It was William Booth founder of the Salvation army that said “If popular music is of the Devil then we should plunder him of it entirely”

    Now if Healer is of the devil then surely Christians we should plunder him off it!! It still speaks of the truth that Nothing is impossible for him and that the lord is your portion.

    Thousands, maybe millions of people were praying for Mikes healing. And maybe, just maybe his healing has begun, we just didnt know in what he needed healing.

    How awesome is our God that even Mike Guglielmucci is not to far away from Gods love.

    Every Blessing from across the Atlantic

    Tom
    <
    Brighouse, West Yorks, England

    • Reply Brooks April 19, 2011 at 4:03 pm

      I am thoroughly impressed with this response. You, sir, are a man that walks by the Spirit.

  • Reply Justin September 15, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    GREAT post.
    I enjoyed it thoroughly.

    Can I use it?

  • Reply Emma September 16, 2008 at 6:39 am

    thanks for this blog, you wrote exactly how i was feeling.

    I was so angry that someone who i have heard speak and admired, and seen as such a man of God could do something this heart breaking for me and so many people. It hurt, and the fact that it was going to (again) make the world discredit the church frustrated me.

    But i guess God holds each of us accountable, and all we can do is to keep to what we believe despite the accusations and the people who are undermining the church.

    I guess that the only thing to do is to pray that whoever responded to his teaching and got to know God, won’t turn away because they feel they have been cheated and lied to. That God would show them that despite other circumstances, He is still real for them.

  • Reply H.Y September 20, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    I’m totally with you Chris.
    Really enjoyed what you wrote there 🙂
    We’re all the same, all screwed and hopeless beings without God’s grace. I wonder who’s worse than who in God’s eye.
    It is just really easy for us to judge people who do things that are just beyond our territories of what we think Christians should be like.
    Good job by the way.

    God bless you all:)

  • Reply Arthur Terrance September 23, 2008 at 3:02 am

    Mike,

    Arise according to Luke 22:31-32…Satan has desired to have you that he may sift you like wheat. But I (Jesus) have prayed fro you that your faith faileth note, and after you are converted (Have repented), strengthened thy brethren. I was so encouraged.. I believe God brought that song to you, and through you in order to bring mental, physical, spiritual, psychological deliverance. “Come Forth unashamed and return to your first love”

    A. Terrance-your brother in Christ

  • Reply Steve September 26, 2008 at 9:24 am

    So what are the lessons that we can all learn from this tragic episode?

    1. Sin is a seductive evil that can beguile and arrest anyone at anytime. Watch out it could be you next……!
    2. No believer, no matter how “holy” they think they are, is immune from temptation. Watch your back… Be alert there is a prowling lion out there called the devil.
    3. The only person who is qualified to “cast the first stone” is the one who is “without sin”.
    4. The church must learn how to instruct believers about the nature of spiritual discipline. Many of the blogs range from blind condemnation to naive acceptence. The church needs to get it’s head out of the sand.
    5. Have we built a culture of “Christian Celebrity” that is based more upon gifting rather than character?.
    6. There is a great need for more of the presence of God to bring conviction in the context of the body of Christ – meetings. We need holiness not hype!

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  • Reply Lozza October 8, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    Just like to point out here that Mike is still sick. He still needs healing. Just like the song says, nothing is impossible to God. He will still heal Mike whether it’s cancer or anything else. Mike needs our prayers, guys. He was most likely writing about his addiction, not cancer when he wrote Healer. I believe he is a great guy and as I said before, he needs our prayers.
    God Bless 🙂

  • Reply Edward Kim October 10, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    I am a worship leader at my church in Southern California and we just had a summer retreat with the theme “free.” we kicked off the retreat with this worship song and it absolutely blew everyone away with the HOly Spirit’s power. first song and wow, God just touched everyone’s heart, no-one except a few were singing.. everyone else was broken, on the ground, on their knees, praying. The power and the anointing of the Holy Spirit we experienced through this song was so amazing … we totally went off our schedule for worship; we just worshipped for like 2 hours and prayed for another 2 hours or so. We couldnt even get to the sermon!
    Now, did we know that the song was a “fake”, nope.. we all found out a week after retreat.
    Was a mad? frustrated? confused? tested even??
    at first… but as i was thinking … the same thought came to mind as this blog.
    who am i to judge?
    i’m the same as Mike!
    okay.. maybe not to this severity?…
    but once again.. who am i to judge that even??
    cause in God’s eyes… arent all sins the same?? in the end.. we all messed up and our place should be hell.
    but as the blogger mentioned.. Grace
    after my short moment of anger and feeling of betrayal.
    i gained a new respect for Pastor Mike.
    can you IMAGINE the amount courage it must’ve taken for him to go on television and confess?? it’s not like he DIDNT know the WORLD was going to be shocked.. i’m sure he KNEW the world was gonna spite him and who knows what. but he put his faith in the Lord, and gave himself up. That’s faith, that’s courage.. now where and how did he finally gather the courage and strength confess..?
    …well… i guess you can say that he was healed

  • Reply George October 11, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    hi.
    please read this.
    http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,24230912-2682,00.html

    it clears some stuff of why he did what he did.
    :]
    hope it helps.

  • Reply Ngozi October 16, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    First, nobody is innocent. Like has been said before let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I am not condoning what Mike did but if Jesus refused to convict an adultress who am I to convict Mike? The Bible says that if you confess your sins God is faithful and jut to forgive and cleanse from all unrighteousness…..it din’t specify any sins. There is no big or little sin…..I agree that what he did was sick and that he needs serious help. The most important thing is that he confessed to God and THAT to God is the most important thing……..it is not your sin that matters it is your heart, your decision to confess and not look back. If not then David would certainly have been the worst of them!

    Second…To the Symptoms Mike claims he has…..Mike forgot that God says that “Death and Life are in the power of the tongue…..” He used his tongue to speak sickness into his life and it is manifesting because the Kingdom of heaven operates on principles…Be not deceived, God is not mocked, whatsoever a man sows that he will surely reap. SO Mike has confessed and come clean and God has forgiven him but he still has to face the consequences of his actions because he, with his own lips sowed the seed of cancer into his life and I won’t be surprised to hear that the results of his tests show some kind of cancer because he sowed it into his life.

    MIKE GOD HAS FORGIVEN YOU but HE CANNOT CONTRADICT HIMSELF, GOD VALUES HIS WORD ABOVE HIMSELF…….YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR WORDS AND ACTIONS. LIVE A CLEAN LIFE AND BECOME A LEADER AND NOT A SIGNPOST. I APPLAUD FOR HEEDING THE CONVICTION OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AND CONFESSING but THE BATTLE HAS ONLY JUST BEGUN. ASK GOD FOR GRACE…..HIS GRACE IS SUFFICIENT FOR YOU FOR HIS STRENGTH IS MADE MANIFEST IN YOUR WEAKNESS.

    • Reply kulit March 26, 2011 at 9:35 pm

      yes ,God is a just God…he can’t contradict himself..But even if mike sowed with his own lips the seed of cancer , he can rebuke it and prayed for it to God… there will be consequences of what he did but we can’t say what will be the consequences…

  • Reply Ngozi October 16, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    By the way, the song was not fake…..GOD WILL USE ANYONE AND ANYTHING TO PASS HIS MESSAGE ACROSS. God is not in the business of creating saints he is in the business of restoration. Check the Bible you don’t hear God saying we are all perfect you see tons of scripturethat says All things are new IN CHRIST! I.e all have sinned ain’t no-one is perfect….but through Christ we are made whole. God says come I will wash your sins that are scarlet till they be white as snow. Cos he knows we will sin…i dint say become a perpetual sinner but because you or Mike has sinned does not make it the end of the road for him or anyone. The song is about Jesus, it’s not who sang it that matters but what it means to YOU! Salvation is personal. In the end God will rather use a Michael Guglielmucci who has been there and knows what it feels like to reach out to his people than anyone else who has had a clean life with no skeleton in his cupboard. WHY? you may ask. Simple, because he will understand better how to reach out to people who are going through this same thing………look at people like Joyce Meyer and Juanita Bynum (not exactly the same context but I hope you get the point). BUt of course like them he first of all needs most of all not psychological or medical but SPIRITUAL HELP because quote me anywhere: if GOD does not help him….. NOBODY CAN. Like it or not.

    God told prophet Samuel that man looks at the outward appearance but Him (God) looks at the heart so with all the grammar we are speaking God has looked at Mike’s heart and if he has decided to forgive him there is nothing on earth and even in Heaven that any of us can do to change it. It is not what has happened that matters but Mike’s heart. Our Past belongs to us but HISTORY is His (God’s) Story concerning us.

  • Reply Ngozi October 16, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    John 8:32 “Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free…..” read on to v34 whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin…..we are all servants of sin what differentiates is our knowledge of the truth that Jesus sets us free If Mike has come to this saving knowledge then he is in a better place than a lot of people cos he has confessed. HE STILL NEEDS HELP at least he knows that. v35 if he really confesses and changes he becomes a son, u who haven’t confessed who in your closet sin but point fingers in open are a servant….I’d much rather be a son than a servant. V36 like I said before if GOD forgives him he is free indeed and to God that is what matters.

    John 8v11, Jesus asked the adultress where are your accusers? has no-one condemned thee? She said NO, and our Lord Jesus who has the biggest right of all to d so said “NEITHER DO I. Go and sin no more” What we should be saying to Mike is not “it’s a shock, I am ashamed…….”that’s all pointless at this stage, what should be said is “Ask God for forgiveness and Go and Sin no more.” In JOHN 8v15, Jesus said “Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.” So I ask you what gives you the right to pass Judgement on Mike Guglielmucci? I know him not in fact I stmbled upon this story while trying to find out about Hillsong and that was the first time I ever heard the name MG. But let him who thinks he stands TAKE HEED LEST HE FALL.

    And I can write on and on but for now I will stop here and say this short prayer….GOD TEACH YOUR PEOPLE THAT THEY MAY KNOW THE TRUTH AND BE STRENGTHENED IN YOU! AND KEEP YOUR PEOPLE FIRMLY ROOTED IN YOU AND UNSHAKEABLE, ABOUNDING IN STEADFAST LOVE, IN JESUS NAME, AMEN. (Please Read the whole of John 8) my final word: JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED

  • Reply Ngozi October 16, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    Sorry, meant to say read the whole of JOHN 8.

  • Reply Ngozi October 16, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    HEAVEN AND EARTH (including MG) WILL PASS AWAY BUT NOTA DROP NOR AN IOTA OF GOD’S WORD WILL PASS AWAY……that is the underlying truth. In all of this remember that man may disappoint or fail but God never fails……..have this fav song that says
    Jesus Never Fails(2x)
    The man of the world may let you down
    But Jesus never fails

  • Reply sydney October 23, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    You said, “So. How do we respond? Some say stone him! Some say blacklist him! Some say he just needs a swift kick in the ass! How about you? What do you say?”

    Then you proclaim that you want to shout out you are not like these other people who keep messing up.
    If im correct so far …continue to read.

    The bible tells us not to swear, but you curse when saying he needs a swift kick. Why not just in the rear or butt?

    Why do you proclaim to be different, but walk around no better than any one else?
    I won’t tell you I am any better, but please why the swearing then stating you aren’t like the ones who messed up.

    If I remember right we ALL fall short of the glory for God. Mike’s mistake may have effected more people, but he is no better or worse than you or I.

    • Reply bpark January 20, 2011 at 6:36 am

      judging by your response, i guess you didn’t read the whole blog post. i think you should read the rest of the blog before posting your replies.

  • Reply Ed Newson November 11, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    If I may add some insight as a practising GP in the UK- I don’t think we should be too quick to accuse this man of being either a ‘fake’ or a ‘fraud’. In my mind, having read some details in the australian press from late august, he is suffering from a mental illness called munchausen’s syndrome. He (and his family) needs our prayer for his healing just as much as if he did have cancer.

  • Reply Elaine Taul March 10, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    Heres my thoughts on this. Ye who have no sin, cast the first stone. Instead of going on and on about what wrong hes done, how about getting down on your knees and praying for him. We all sin and in the bible it says one sin is no greater that another. Sin is sin. Maybe you havnt got caught with your sin??? . We are human and if I remember right, God sent his son Jesus Christ to die on the cross so that we could be forgiven. Maybe he needs someone to embrace him and love him. Yes he did wrong, but who are we to judge. Judge not that you be not judged. Thats the problem with Christians and Church, were really quick to notice everyone elses sin but not our own, and we pass judgement so quickley. Step back and take a look at your life, and if you have no sin, throw all you want. Ill be praying for him, because I know Ive sinned.

  • Reply nivea June 5, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    i was for the first time reading your post… and it was a while ago i see, but i just found out about it all and u know what…
    even king david and other man in the bible did stupid things and they all have their own consequences of their acts, and in the bible there is a part that says, there is nothing hide that cant be revealed, everyone find out about it, do u think God would let help him hide the lie??? no, the devil is behind it, he is probably a good man, who made a bad choice and once u are lying it just get bigger cause u have to tell lots of lies to hide the first one… if we were all perfect we wouldnt need God, and even like that we still dont really always choose God do we??
    the song is amazing and u can feel the presence of God onn the video, just because, there were people there comited with God and his word, why wouldnt God bless them and their worship??
    i dotn care about what people may say, i was even afraid about go into this story, that i couldnt believe on the begining that he was really faking, but u know what, i do bad things everyday and God is not telling me i am better or worse than him, i am just the same…
    i feel bad cause i have been neglective with God, i may be the same as this pastor, but who isnt?! this is just something else to make people feel they dotn need God…
    i do need God… i need the Savior Jesus Christ in my life!!! and i want Him in my life… that is what i think that is how i feel!
    I belong to Jesus and i just need to find my way back
    God bless u all

  • Reply Caroline Brooke August 30, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    Just wanted to say, if God can forgive him we can. You are right about grace being the answer. And at the end of the day, God loves the sinner, hates the sin, so we should just show love for Mike and his family, and pray for him. Because he needs it now more than ever. And if God can show him His grace, so should we if we are trying to live our lives the way He wants us to. Who are we to judge, again as you state. God bless you for your page.

  • Reply Christina E November 9, 2009 at 3:21 am

    I am so glad for those times when I’m out of the loop! I had never heard about all this until just now.There’s nothing like being able to look at a big pile of ?? after it’s cooled off and without any of it having affected me, to allow clear vision into a situation. 🙂 — So…today at church, during worship, they’re singing this song as we’re coming in…late. The first words I hear as we get settled in our seats are these “You hold my every moment, You calm my raging seas, You walk with me through fire…” — And Immediately I went into full out worship of our Father because earlier this year we lost our 2nd Baby. For real…no fake…have documents to prove it. One day I saw that precious one on the ultra sound…2 days later…in the arms of Jesus. So…having walked through the deepest darkest valley of my life, and just now coming out of it and finally seeing light again, this song rang inside me so loudly today that if they hadn’t been playing it so loudly in church you could have heard it ringing from my heart! 🙂 — There’s no way the Holy Spirit could’ve used that song in my heart at that moment the way He did if He wasn’t pleased with it. — If not for Grace…

    Great article! Just happened to find it googling after I saw ‘fake cancer’ on YouTube about it all.

  • Reply likemike April 19, 2010 at 8:27 am

    you know..I don’t know anything about this song or anything happened last 2008, just this day, this afternoon, april 19, 2010..

    just wanna share I ,too, am a Pastor’s kid… and like mike, I think I’m having the same problem, but i don’t have any sickness or anything… I even am a member in the praise and worship team… Please PRAY for ME… I’m only 16 and I’ve known porn sites since 10… 6years I’ve been struggling with this.. I don’t want it.. I just can’t get away from it that easily… please pray for me… thank you guys… Godbless…

    • Reply Fred McKinnon April 19, 2010 at 8:39 am

      likemike
      checkout a great resource, http://www.settingcaptivesfree.com – the Pure Freedom course. Took it years ago myself, and found incredible victory over my own struggles.

    • Reply Andy Tallman April 19, 2010 at 8:45 am

      I will definitely second the resource http://www.settingcaptivesfree.com. I took the pure freedom course as well.

      I am a huge fan of xxxchurch and what they are doing to help people who struggle with this. There is a program called X3watch. Find someone you trust and who wants to help you. This program is basically an accountability program.

      I am praying for you!

  • Reply Aaron Armstrong April 19, 2010 at 8:43 am

    Tim Challies wrote an e-book a little while back that offers some encouragement and hope for men struggling with this issue: http://www.challies.com/christian-living/sexual-detox-the-e-book

  • Reply steff February 25, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Yes its sad what has happened letting it become a problem to the Church but what we and everyone have to understand is that we are no one to be judging him for we are all sinners.We cant be depending on us humans we depend on GOD we have to have our eyes set on Him and not on men, for he is the way to Salvation not us men. We all must see that its not time to judge but to forgive him and many other men of God who have fallen down because of dark sins but its not time to be paying attention to gossip and on criticizing people but on speaking the word of God and letting people know that well all committee mistakes but that God is perfect and He is Love for He will forgive us and Love us no matter what. We should be worrying about bringing the gospel to the ones who have not heard it or bringing the ones who have but haven taken the step into hes Kingdom, we should be worrying about bringing revival, into this generation to bring Salvation to all for this aren’t the times to be seeing the mistakes of others.

  • Reply mususwa james March 28, 2011 at 5:26 am

    we have all sinned and fallen short of God’s glory. Judge en u’ll be first to be judged……

  • Reply Daniel Tan June 11, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    I thought I was going to have to make a very long reply to the post, but the first comment sums up most of my points.

    Now, Michael is in very good company the way I see it. I mean, worse things have happened in the Old Testament. These ring bells?

    1. Incest(and fictional prostitution!): Tamar and Judah
    2. Bigamy and then some: Jacob, Lea, Rachel and their female servants
    3. Stealing the wife of your best employee and then murdering him: David, Bathsheba and Uriah.

    The only bad thing I have to say about Michael is that I am bleeding with jealousy with the support he gets. Would the rest of us be so lucky to get it if we get caught up in such circumstances or if the really horrific parts get exposed?

    Lastly; suppose Michael’s story was recorded in the Bible, how would God continue it from his lowest point of disgrace?

  • Reply Lelia October 19, 2011 at 5:52 am

    Judge not that you may not be judge.For with the judgment ye judge ye shall be judged(Mat7:1-2).

    I just want to say one thing. We need to recognize and know which time we are living in. And i personally thank God that He is exposing those who are using His name in vain (Ex 20:7).

    To me there is no doubt that hearing at the amazing songs that he’s written God must have used him. It’s just that at some point even in our lives we do not realize when the Anointing and God’s presence depart from us(Like with Samson Judges 16:20) and what is left is the gift.That’s why The Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians emphasized that we need examine ourselves whether we be in the Faith, we need to prove ourselves.

    And to those who might find it an excuse to backslide, i would say be careful. On that day when we’ll be in front of the Lord you will never say i gave up because so and so called himself a Christian but wasn’t. No. Cause the example to follow is not the people around us but Christ. He is the reason why we are called Christian. So please my friend don’t be sick and tired of telling those who ask you that the norm is Jesus and those who are caught up are not Christian cause Jesus said you will know them by their fruits and told us to beware of false prophets who come to us clothed as sheep. If Jesus warned us of them, well it’s because we will see them. So let’s not be surprised when they are found out cause it should not be a new thing to us.

    And let see it this way. Jesus is one of the most famous man on earth. Come on who wouldn’t want to use His name to gain money or whatever?
    To me it just shows He is real and there is Power in His name and He rewards those who use His name in vain.(There is an old saying in my country that says 9 days for the thief the 10th is for the owner. Meaning you might be stealing me but I’ll catch you one day.)

    I am encourage when people are caught up. It means to me that we serve a Living God and it makes me pray even more cause i might be caught up. Just when you think you’re Righteous you might find yourself living in any kind of sin and be exposed.

    Let us pray even more brethen that the Lord will have Mercy on us everyday.We need His Grace more than ever. That’s why God sent His Son. Because He knew that the blood of goats or calves would not do it anymore.

    Let’s examine ourselves whether we are in the Faith, let us prove ourselves. And let us know that Jesus Christ is in us unless we are reprobates (2 Cor 13:5)

    God bless you all.

  • Reply Toby C September 3, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    We are all scumbag sinners and all deserve hell. With that said, thank God for grace:) Yes, be angry at this guy for doing this but then forgive him and move on. The Bible says that even if we are angry at our brother, we are subject to the same punishment as murder. That word angry in greek actually means a deep rooted anger. Not a simple flare up and then forget about it anger. So choose the right type of anger and then move on. 

  • Reply ALL FACEBOOK FRIENDS January 29, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Mike is not worse than the thief on the cross that confessed CHRIST and JESUS remembered him in his kingdom,the thief on the cross didn’t try to justify his sin s before CHRIST, HE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT HE DESERVED THE PUNISHMENT HE WAS GOING THROUGH and Mike has not tried to justify his lies.there are certain things that GOD is willing to forget about us and that is our sin, if we admit that we have sinned, and this is what Mike did, we should instead be willing to support him in his emotional healing, many people think they are much better than him, but that is contrary to what the bible teaches,it says we have all sinned, and any one that has even broken one law has broken them all,why should we be the first to cast the stones????????
    BENON KIYINGI

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